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The South Park One
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Everyone. Everyone. Could I have you attaching me? Thank you, Bathian. I think about his Dagnam. Welcome to please stopped, a podcast that provides a holistic critique of Christian media and pop culture through humor, honesty and thought provoking discussion. I'm back and sitting next to me is the lovely Anna. Hi Anna, Hi Guy, are you tonight? I am well, thank you, and to my right is the wonderful a t shirt, high tiss Hey. Has It gone? Tonight we're going to be watching and reviewing an episode of South Park. I was never allowed to watch South Park and I was always going to be. I'm going to watch it when I'm older. And I am older and I've I mean I've seen clips, I do know things. Yeah, but that hit. Yeah, yeah, pretty much the same for me. South Park was, like the Simpsons, was extremely taboo in my house. I mean we were allowed to watch other things that they felt like. The rules were kind of arbitrary, but for some reason, I think because they talked about religion, kind of custle lot, but they went to church. Yeah, but so I wasn't allowed to what South Park. But then when I was a teenager like you two, so I watch clips of it. I think I've seen at least one episode, so all the way through, and like I get some references and some of them are really funny, like the one with Kenny in the toilet. I think. I have no idea. Yeah, right, I didn't say anything and I'm totally make some up and you like yeah, yes, yes, so still very taboo. Yeah, you too. Yeah, I never watched any south park at all. This is the one and only episode that I've ever seen. And Yeah, after watching this episode, I'm like, Oh, maybe it's not as evil as I thought it was. Why do we pick this episode? The episode is called Christian Rocks, hard rock, hard, ha ha, ha ha. Oh, okay, yeah, but so what's the context? Like? It came out in two thousand and three. So, yeah, that was like my last year of high school. Wow, yeah, that was my first year of high school. Yeah, don't say that. No, about that, it's not. I was like all my first day of kindy. This episode is about Christian Music, Christian contemporary music. I remember when I was growing up there was a big thing about Oh, do you listen is CCM, or do you listen to secular music? And what does for the people listening. CECM means so CECM is Christian contemporary music and secular music is the music of the world and not world music. I like the drums, beats and, you know new ag sort of music,...
...but like Ricky Martin or Cheni Twain, you know, really devilish singers and songwriters. Really don't Wat kids listening to that sort of stuff, like who knows, man Michael Jackson was not allowed to listen. Wow, the music video to thriller. That was terrible. I boycotted a dance class because they were gonna make us dance to thriller. Wait, it was not your choice. Yeah, I was ten, maybe I know. It's okay, totally get it. I totally get it. So we're going to go watch the episode and then we're going to come back in kind of give our reactions, a little bit of a review, I guess, and how Christian Contemporary Music and secular music as well, impacted us in our lives. I first out, okay, don't ever leave me. Dd I couldn't stand see you go. Maha, we SAM. Please, nat my Lord, if you walk down out, Dad Dog, I promise that be good. You keep you warmnnet GGDJ did. When don't we just shut off the well, it was really funny. It was too lack here. Yeah, very, very cringe, because some of it hit a will too cools theme. They she cleared a group of key. It's with Cartman. Start a band and decide that can make more money by pretending to be Christian. They do this one. They realize they can easily christianize songs by swapping out words like darling. So Jesus, there is more money to be made because America already has a large built in Christian audience for their music, hilarity and high junks and shoes. I'm like that line with the guy says you don't even know anything about Christianity and Cartman goes, I know enough to explain it. That's that's it, that's that's so, so true. Okay, guys, so I have a game that I want to play and it's the is it a worship song or is it a love song? M So I'm going to read out some lyrics, okay, and you have to tell me if it's a love song or a worship Song. As cartman proved to us, maybe you can't tell. So we'll see. We'll see. He gonna okay. Number One, your fragrance is intoxicating in our secret place. I I reckon. I reckon worship Song because there is an interesting theme of our smelling Jesus and all those things in the worship songs. Yeah, I think fragrance is a big word the kids tossed around. Yeah, Um, especially when you go into that...
...intimate space of holiness, you would be correct. Excellence. Okay. Next one, love is alive deep down in my heart. Huh, I've got the joy, choice, joy, joy, down in my heart. And where where do sorry, we shoulterly, she getting out of. Love is alive, deep down in my heart. Our can worship Song again, kids worship Song. Don Down who love is alive? Did that in my heart? Won't be miles apart. If you ever need help. In hand the best accon. Don't you know that? That ain't no mantain hid. My Love is a y Si. Okay, I was gonna be so down the dish. Okay, okay. Next Hey, ready. Yeah, thank you. All is stripped away and I simply come. No, I know, but also low, big, low, no, stripped away and I simply cool heart worship love. Yeah, that's it's only because I knew it, Damn. But, oh my gosh, I could go either way some of these. I'm starting to forget which way it is. It's love so undeniable I can hardly speak now. I reckon I stual. Shakular Song, Right, Oh, love, sure, yeah, so what is it? What is it? Can't remember, I'll google it. No, I'm no, I'm pretty sure. It's a worship Song, because you're a good good father. Yeah, fucking hate. That not good. Good bye hate that. It is awful in their nervous it's who you are. Shut up. There you go. Worship Song. Okay, next one. Can we always be this close, forever and ever? Love Song. Is it that? Because, because it's always a worship song, it wouldn't be asking because it would know, because you would know, that you will be forever and ever all with the Jesus. Can we always be this close, forever and ever? Yeah, not, that's worship. It's not. It's secular, secular, that's what I mean. That is a secular song. Yes, what's the Taylor Swift Song? Oh, and never I know the song. Actually like it. Okay, next one on. The show me how to love like you have loved me. Oh well, we know that actually the King of...
...glory. No, I I have to admit. I mean now it makes me cringe, but bridges beautiful. That was yeah, break my heart, break yours. That was my. That was my. She can get your tag one. Know, that was mine. No, was mine. You guys. It's okay, because all of us are the most important according to Jesus. We are each one of US above all. Okay, my very, very last one. Huh, my shallow hearts. The only thing that he's away. It's secure. What is it from my shallow heart? Yeah, Green Day. Oh, sorry, Green Day. Sorry, so they go. That is the end of our marshell. Right, that's it. Sorry, sorry, I just got it. Sorry, how many body get right? So you got for, you got for right, for another one for for out, for out of seven days. I would have done better, but that's a hard past. Will Take it with Dad. Do you read? What's The mad baby? You trembling? Jesus? Yeah, what are some of the problematic things that kind of come up for you? Okay, well, first of all, talking about the whole marketability of Jesus. Back in the two thousand and eight, nine ten, one of those planet shakers, this big worship music, like young people's worship music. Um, and I know what they are church, I don't know, youth group, kind of all of that, all of all of the above, because you're all love the up sorry, and a conference that they would hold conferences all over Australia sort of, and then come to path to you. And and this guy who was a past one of their pastors or muse worship leaders, he got diagnosed with cancer and I very specifically remember this one conference I went to and he came out on stage. After a year of battling this and after seeing him at previous conferences jumping around on stage and leading worship and everything, he comes out and stage and he's hunched over and he's got tubes coming out of his nose and he's got an air tank that he's carrying around with him and he just looked awful and he told the whole crowd that in in the midst of all of these tribulation he was going through, he'd managed to write this song called Healer, which basically says I believe you're my healer, and it's a song about how he believes that Jesus will heal him, even though he can't feel it right now. And it was a real like faith song and it was so moving and so impactful that it just spread like wildfire. There were covers of that song all over the world and so many young...
...people were just moved by it. And then it turned out that this worship leader had been faking it the whole time, that either I think he ended up saying that he had like a breakdown or something and he was had a paranoid delusion or something. So as a result of that happening, so many kids that I knew back then just stopped believing in God because they were like they couldn't because of the hypocrisy basically, and this happens with a lot of worship music, and it's one big thing that I that it's really have a problem with, is the manipulation of emotion. Because who doesn't hear a beautiful song in amazing setting with the you know, lights and smoke machine and that minor key and you just you feel something because you have you just react, and worship leaders tend to use that to manipulate you into feeling that you're having a spiritual experience. Yeah, well, I mean, I mean music is biblical. I mean you look at you King David and all that kind of they are. Yeah, he was a lot of things, but we'll get into that and another episode. Music and books and all that kind of thing. And Christian stuff has to have a message. But but the problem with that is that when a when an artist in general, write something, there's a narrative that can flow different ways. But with a Christian message it's very black and white. There's no great there's no gray, and so then that loses one of arts because you know what the answer is meant to be and as an artist that stifles you as well. Looking back and back in the day where all the hymns were written, people wrote very deep and theological things and it had meaning. One of my favorite hymns even now. It is well with my soul. So it was written back in the eighteen hundreds by horatio, horatio SPAFFORD, and he basically lost everything. He's child died in the Great Chicago Fire and then he was real and financially and then they were going to move overseas and he sent his family ahead of him and then there was a crash and then they all died. I think his wife survived a lot of traumatic stuff and then he sat down and he wrote this beautiful song and the refrain or chorus is basically it as well with my soul. It is well with my soul, and then the verses have all these beautiful lyrics to it. It was from real pain and so it was real. Oh, and then when you I don't want to not as not very preachy, is it? Something's just she's serious. It' is experience. Yeah, and...
...it's not telling you what you need. Not what you need to do. Is just him. Yeah, and even even if you weren't spiritual, I think that you could still take meaning from that because again, there is no answer. It's just. She's an expression and expression of a billy. Yeah, and I find that was a lot of was a lot of contemporary, commodified music. I don't want to do nowadays. I don't want to do the whole Christian music nowadays because there's great stuff after, but there's a general sort of trend. There's a formula which is very much in the episode that we watched in Chat Park. Is for money as well, and and it loses it's a meaning when it's meant to have meaning. If you want to sell records, you have to sell out enough. Yeah, but yeah, like I remember when switch for released an album, it didn't have necessarily a Christian band. But they don't think worship songs per se. They just write like regular songs. I guess you could say they're kind of rocky, but their songs aren't all about God. They're there were on this album. They're like kind of mixed up. They are on many of the albums. They don't always write about God or that becoming a Christian. Sometimes they're at about girls, sometimes they're write about just feelings of the pression or whatever, and so people can be quick to go or well, they're not a real Christian man because they their lyrics are explicitly Christians. So but yeah, that's just it. If you're making art, it shouldn't conform to a patterns art, it's music should be free. They just want to put things into a mold like a cookie cutter, and for those things to come out and make money. You know, they see something in secular music and they take that and they put that Christian stamp on it and they kind of, I guess, tell kids or teenagers or consumers that the other is bad. So, you know, you might have say Stacy Rico and versus Britney Spears, and Stacy Rico is, you know, the Christian, wholesome one, and then Brittany spears is evil and toxic. Ha Ha. I was waiting for it, but they there is, I guess, this culture of making people feel less if they do like that secular music, but that there's nothing wrong with liking music that doesn't have a Jesus signature, like yeah, that is okay, it is all art. Yeah, I guess it frustrates me. And we we don't have the impact that kind of America has from that, like we you know, most the music is made in America, for Christian music,...
...and let's say, we don't have a local scene. But in general, and especially when we were growing up, the music we got was important. Yeah, absolutely, and I think that. You know, I can't I can't speak for America and I can't imagine what it's like to kind of have that because it is such a carry. Underwood, yes, he am great and it is. It does become political, I think, from what I understand, but you know, over here I guess it's not. Our culture is different. You know, people don't attend to church. Christian music is a bit of an anomaly over here. It's not, you know, it's not so socially accepted as it is in states, I guess. Yeah, that's right. So you know, for a lot of our listeners it's probably like, well, what you know? What is Christian? You what Christian Music? Yeah, yeah, it's not that big. Like, yeah, have you heard of a song? It's by is she talking to called my friend, friend, like a say, firstly, that video clip is best clip ever. I love each anyway. I love the songs at the point. So it's about like thea she cleancho, that then another band member. Right. Well, apparently it's not really meant to me about anyone, but I think that there will may be alluding to people who had sold out to the secular music, music stream, like what Jata clay and Iamy grant and all of them has to your video and vh one haw. Does it feel it be the flavor for a spell when you used to say Jesus was the way. I remember what I first had the song and I still love it again because it's tired. But the whole yeah, young that I was like yeah, I will never show out to the modern secular world. Yeah, but what are you scared? I was like, yeah, that also ties into this thing that Christians have this sphere of they believe that they are being persecuted. Yeah, all the time, because we get taught that. We get taught that we're fighting a war, that we are soldiers, that we're in the army of Christ and that the devil's growing fiery darts at you and you got to wear the armor of God. There's a lot of militant language around. It's so will feel out to get you. Yeah, so we feel, we are taught to feel, that we're under attack and that there is subliminal messaging and some of this stuff. And that, I mean it goes back to like the backward masking on like Sabbath, that they apparently, if you played their tapes backwards, you here worship Satan. But like, how obscure is that and why do you have to search that out and try and find ways to be like, yeah, they're trying to get us, they're trying to get our kids, influence our kids and steal their souls and twist down hard it would be to sing a song forwards and make it say something backward. Yeah, I just don't think you can. One Care we...
...do that. Yeah, and what's like the most you're going to get out of it, because obviously the person who found this listen to it and they weren't influenced. So the arrogance to think that people care that much about you and turning your kids to Satan when the world is just being the world. And Yeah, so, because we have this feeling that we're being persecuted, we look for signs that. All, maybe they're not really Christian, maybe switch foot isn't really Christian. All that other band, they sold out. We're not going to sell out. Yes, we're hardcore. And then again, that goes back to the art and the startling hard and so they personally like you have to use your gifts to the glory of God, which is what's what it is. Is What it is. disclaimer. That's right, but but I know that for me personally, creationly, that really startles you. You can't anything that you're right hash to be good, which then for me make shere not right, because nothing is good enough. Okay, completely random rand, but it goes to little women profession there or however you shay his name, yeah, at the end of it real. But when Joe has finished running a book and it shells because she's got to support her family, that come and she goes and she takes his book to him to read and he's alloo Oh no, it's wrong because it's bad. And I think it was about a vampires or whatever, whatever it it's sold and p pirates here and then, of course, then Joe goes home and write right short of women and it's all great. But again with that like it's always in the back of your mind. Is An artist, because you have to write to Perth ash most heartshwarming thing. And what is it wrong? Was Riding things so ultimately shell that you can take care of your family with, like there is a room for both things. Felt like she had to sell the right thing so that she could get poss right thing. It's that whole concept of art where you are kind of brought up in that Christian environment being told that you have to create within a boundary, yes, and all you have to even participate with it a boundary. So even if it's you wanting to listen to music or watch movies, but you can only watch what's within the bounds I remember song from when I was very, very small, and it's be careful, little eyes, what you see. Be careful, little ears, what here. Be careful, little mouth, what you say. Be careful little hands, like it's you know, be careful, little feet, where you walk. Basically, I god, I think I grew up being like, okay, you know, if you read something very fatter, Oh, absolutely, but if you watch a movie and it and you know what, there is an element for me personally where if I watch true crime shows...
...or things like that, it stays with me and I have nightmares and it really really does stick. So there is an element of put in what you want to come out like, you know. So if, if watching true crime puts you in a place where you know you're not feeling healthy, you're not feeling safe, that you know, don't watch true crime. Not to say that you can't listen to Britney Spears because you will be inhabited by an evil spirit. MMM Yeah, yeah, that's it, and you're free to make these choices for yourself. If you do want to listen a Shitty, Gayth of music, that's totally fine. If you don't know what that is, please look it up. Gai Tcher, Bill and Gloria Gatha. What are you doing? Touch, what are you doing? And Stop, just stop, please, please stop. Oh my God, we're gonful circle. It's a perfect circle. Um, do you think it's a little bit like we were all sitting here tonight going, oh my goodness, we have to really think about what we say, we have to really like, you know, bring it in a little bit because of the people that are listening and we don't know what they're going to think of us and what they're going to do. Yeah, do you think it's a little bit like that for these musicians who have built this fan base based within Christian culture and, you know, they feel if they step even slightly outside of that of the narrative they are built? Yeah, yeah, because what's the brand? Right? Yeah, and, like us, worrying about the people listening to this and it's a part of broad base of friends we have between us from different stages of our lives. So not really sure how it's going to be received. And, yeah, we're worried about how we're going to communicate on this podcast. Yeah, similar, I guess. Yeah. So what's the as a tissue Beetrin your self, I guess I just want the world to know that Rebecca just what hold Assay Sia, just Disney, but also you're right, yeah, absolutely right, and she loves Cinderella so well, ha ha ha. I'm going to do an episode on the Disney Cendre Light. She's awesome and she's kind God. Okay, bring it back, bring it back. What are you saying about being true to yourself? Just Cinderella, I mean, sorry, good latist, going earlier before the podcast back, showed us a...
...music video of what was the band that the girls? So we girls, so we girl, and just I mean that they're intentionally trying to be, I guess what the Nineties version was, as close as I don't know, as kind of this club, kind of spice girls, very Sassy. But Watch the difference between them and as club seven is. They are more dresh, cover it up, cover it up, and on one hand you could say that what they want to do, but then you definitely know it's intentional. It's the music that your parents want you to listen to rather than what the world tells you to do, and so there is that anxiety there very much. So, and I don't like to say just be yourself because it is very try and Disney. But I don't know how you are meant to have an authentic spirituality is you aren't true to yourself. And and for the record, that song by Zoey girl, if anyone wants to look it up, if we leave this and it's called dismissed. And the difference between them and as club seven is, instead of singing about their exes, they sing about the devil and how they getting over him, ever under him, ha ha ha. So next segment where we talk about swapping lyrics out. Could it be a love song or could it be about Jesus? So we have basically taken some some of our favorite songs. So, for me, I took some secular songs, and I say that with, you know, songs of the world, and I changed them into worship songs by putting Jesus name in excellent instead. Very good. This song is for all the Catholics out there. Jesus mom has got it going on. She's a loud waited for some long sorry, oh no, no, no, no, to the song that I found that I used to love it back in the day because I thought it was so beautiful and so intimate by casting crowns and it's called your love is extravagant. Ye, and I'm just going to I'm going to read the lyrics. I'm definitely not going to sing this day that your love is extravagant. Your friendship, it is intimate. I feel like moving to the rhythm of your grace. Your fragrance is intoxicating in our secret place. Your love is extravagant, spread wide in the arms of I'm gonna take the...
...tea off and say, Chris is the love that covers sin or me. No great love have I ever known. You consider me a friend or and you captured my heart again. Tish, what about you? I don't have one. You Do? You Do? I gave you one and I want you to sing it. I'm not singing, Ye, okay, if I if I start it, will you continue it? Yes, you say. What can make me feel this way? Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, talking bad Jesus. She thought it was my God. No, no, no, it but it like dirt. That's what I feel like. I'm like Dat, it's okay, I'm just playing to the rhythm of mow B seriously, it's awesome. Don't, don't donder it. Don't do it. A guess. You say what can make me feel bitch way. Maga, my God, talking back, Maga, my God. Great. Okay, yeah, I have one last one. Hey, are you ready for this? Who, my God, my Jesus, Huh, go for your touch. Excellent, okay, but it's but it's true, right. The thing is, though, that churches do this, okay, and so saying Leonel Lewis is bleeding love at an Easter service like this. Jesus bled his love for us on the Cross. Hey, yes, suck, do don't do that. Yeah, I'm please stop. Yeah, please stop. But you know, the thing is, if you want to, if you want to play, and I hate that I've said this so much, so I'm using finger quotes, secular music in your church. Just play secular music in your church. Don't change the lyrics, don't turn it into something Christian and acceptable, just play it and enjoy it and let the art be art. And if you want, teach your kids discernment, but don't just don't tell them something is evil just because and teach them to parti stuff for themselves. I think for me, I have come to realize that the world is not such a scary place and that just because someone or something doesn't identify as Christian doesn't mean...
...it's bad. And that sounds stupid, like it sounds ridiculous that you would say that, but that is obvious what I grew up thinking, no offense to my non Christian friends, but I have was filled with fear I was brought up, and not intentionally by my parents or anything like that, but just within Christian culture. The context is to think that there is black and white, there is good and there is bad, and you're either in or you're out, and if you're in your good and if you're out you're bad, and so there is a fear of the people that are out, and that's really sad to me and I'm so glad that now I don't feel that. Yeah, and you won't pass that on too your kids, or I hope not yet. I hope that they can learn to love all people, regardless of their beliefs, that they can embrace all types of art, regardless of who they are done by. I also hope that they have the discernment to know when something is loving and healthy and when something is actually detrimental to other people. Yeah, like true crime. But yeah, I know absolutely right that whole being in or out and being terrified that you're going to make the wrong choice when you get taught that your decisions have eternal consequences, not just for yourself exactly for other people, because people are watching you and you need to be a good example of Christ to your friends and anyone watching you. Yeah, I'll see you fear that if you slip up, not only are you potentially condemning yourself to hell, but also who knows who else? Yeah, because you're supposed to be a witness. So when the consequences of your choices as a ten year old eternity, damnation or Heaven, no wonder you've got this fear of the other of the sphere, of not being in or not yet or choosing wrong, so difficult to navigate and undo as an adult as well. Yeah, that's what I find. Anyways, I still have this framework in my head of in and out, US versus them, and I have to, yeah, remind myself, like Oh, we're all in the world, all in it, we're all he add it's normal and this is just how it is. Yeah, anyways, and now I can enjoy art and music. Yeah, up. God Damn it, man, that he did. I candy without you, J and that just wanted to feel you did instead, medd what are you listening to at the moment? HMM, for me it's powder finger, little bit of green day, some...
...blink one hundred and eighty two. I'm really kind of flashing back to my teenage years. I'm listening to a whole bunch of stuff all the time. I found this Princess Diaries playlist, that whole bunch of like early s girl BOPs like hey, hilary duff and Joe Joe. It's right, really good, but also it's just a lot of Cutbile, a lot of cordy bonnet. Yeah, some Lo fi stuff, stuff. Yeah, what am I listing true boy? Well, one of my chemical romance, which is funny because I would never have like, as a twelve year old, thought you know anybody punk? Well, what the new equivalent in my chemical rownage? Which Christian? Kill it? Maybe kill it. Yeah, I have unusual as song on my spotify. I old, that is bad. Oh my goodness, something beautiful like a bride on her wedding day. ha ha ha. Do you remember? There was an advert yes to nineties. It was. It was like this five minute yes, yes, I'm not afraid to speak the name of Jesus Christ. However it went, and then one of them would talk about how, yeah, well, shave, yeah, good, that was embarrassing. Back show my stuff. You didn't have to put up with. Yeah, okay. Anyway, I think that's our episode for tonight. Thank you so much for listening. Be sure to like our facebook page and our instagram so you know when each episode is coming out and can keep in touch with the various things that are going on you've been listening to. Please stop about it. Keep down. That needed dad needing needed about the feeling savvy diner out of my Ba.
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