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Hi and welcome to ploy stop podcast that engages in a holistic critiques of the Christian Culture. We go out with through the land of pop culture and media, with female honesty and thought provoking discussion, I. and with debt and a hello luxury cars, private jet planes, Fast Mansions and properties, expensive suits, extravagant TV sets, prosperity, Gospel, everything is so sacred and holy and serious. Feels like the s even though it's two thousand and twenty. A lot of southern accents and big hair staring directly at the camera and into your soul. Assurance in their pathetic word kitchi and vaguely religious giftware for sale. They will pray for you if you send money. Oil, literal snake oil salesman is scammy sex, scandals, big gestures and promises, with overpronunciation of certain word, authoritative voices that speak with frightening confidence in God's behalf and likewise admonish the demons to hell with the same dim and bigger companying listeners with promises of prayer while simultaneously terrifying the gold right out of their bank accounts and into their pious pockets. What are we talking about? Televangelists. My experience of televangelist is actually quite limited. It's not something that we have a lot of over here in Australia. Like obviously we have access to it, but I mean growing up I didn't really see a lot of anything like that. The first televangelist I really saw would have been joycemia. Yeah, and yeah, I guess as a teenager I was just like, Oh, they let Christian stuff on TV, like that was, yeah, kind of my whole thought process behind it. It's so American, isn't it? Very it's very, very culturally part of like it's it's a cultural to be a Christian, like, not just religious, but culturally. Yeah, Erica. Anyways, where is he? It's like, oh, joy, smile, cool, just gonnae teeth. They all have nice feel yeah, I wonder if they were born that way. Of God did or maybe there's some other means. I think they pay a lot of money for their to funding. What did money from there? I don't know. Hard work, definitely from God. God. Oh Yeah, yeah, Tish save us. Do you know it? I it seems like it's a time capsule when you can could telling angel she's think of a he s's a big hair and the shoot and yet the around it two thousand and twenty and I don't know why my mind goes right to that and the handmage tail. The book Sharina Joy Migaret at would based her off a conservative. Tell evangelist. They change that from into the men serious. But no, yeah, she was meant to be. Yeah, but tell evangelist. I think of Kirk Cameron and the banana debate. Is anyone not? That is it was. It was funny him and once some other guy, Ray Comfort, yet very comfort. She had the banana debate where coming and the other guy, the Comfort Guy, right comfort, were on this tirade about the banana was intelligently designed, but the color, that when it frightens it changes color, so humans no want to eat it, and then the way that it's curved, so what that humans can hold it properly. And there was and there was just a part which doesn't really matter. The point is that they bow the series. Yeah, that basically one. The third part was on you could peel the banana and it's easily accessible. And their argument because it was intelligently designed. But the funny thing of that that is it is designed by humans over thousands of years of growing and cultivating banana. So it's kind of evolutions, evolutionary. So check mat...

...a SIS, they believe. Yeah, yeah, also, bananas are right when they're Brown, not yellow. You're done it. I could. That's true, though, like yellow isn't the often time to eat it, because it's sugars are fully built. Where it's Brown, it looks like it's up, or black, the black spots. Black it is a sweeter. It is and you're meant to eat it out. Yeah, but then the texture result, NA texture is even more disgusting. But that's just human preference. Yeah, but technically bananas are right and ready to eat when their breath. Look at that, baby food. Just neverminds you of a conversation like when you when you've had a when you're a bit high and you're hey, Annie, the show, cool with the smoky yeah, because I want some because, yeah, you're absolutely right. Yeah, what are all these televangelists smoking that makes them think this is a good idea? Yeah, Oh, I think I know what it is. Money. Money, yeah, well, isn't it Tammy Lee Baker, Jim Baker's wife? Yeah, she ended up, you know, having a drug addiction and yeah, and stuff. It was prescription drugs that she was addicted to, but it was this whole big thing and actually used it like on their show as like, you know, like her work, working through her, yeah, drug addiction, because they're really good at putting a spin, like spinning anything. HMM. But that same grace isn't extended to other people. Knows, not at all the definition of a televangelist and interestingly enough, it says now North American and Evangelical Preacher who appears regularly on television to promote beliefs and appeal for funds. And I guess what you see very commonly is that televangelism is pretty ferociously, I guess, tied to the Prosperity Gospel, which is this teaching that God wants you to be wealthy. Yeah, Prosperity Theology views the Bible as a contract between God and humans. If we have faith in God, he will deliver security and prosperity, and it emphasizes the importance of personal empowerment, that it's God's will for his people to be blessed, which is an interesting read of the Bible because, okay, yes, maybe the Bible says that God wants his people to be blessed and be healthy and all of that, but that doesn't necessarily translate into being a millionaire. That's aren't Prosperity Gospel preaches interpretation of that, isn't it? Yeah, like Prosperity Gospel is very much like if you have enough faith, then you will have all your wants and needs man. Yeah. Or it's that if you give money, if you give all your money, God will give it back to you in abundance. So there are people that give all their money, particularly to televangelists and it, expecting to get it back in some way, shape or form. Yeah, and the reality is they don't get it back, but the televangelists become really rich. Yeah. So that just emphasizes the point of the televangelists because they're saying, or look how blessed I've been. Yes, so I must I must be telling the truth, because look at me. Yes, it reminds me a little bit of pyramid schemes. Gonna say, yeah, multilevel marketing, where people who got it on the ground level of it probably did make a lot of money. But with pyramid schemes you're basically increasing your competition by trying to recruit more people to also sell stuff, Yep, at its exponential rights. So if you get in at the base level then very unscrupulously, you can make a lot of money. But these people down the end of the chain aren't going to be making much money and it gets harder and harder to recruit people. But they're going to look at you and you're going to want them to keep trying to recruit people. So you're going to say, look at me, I just went on a holiday and belief because I have so much money because I stuck at my tough aware or whatever it is, and you can be this rich too, and so they keep hopelessly hopefully, I guess. Well, I don't like is how I mean a lot of stuff, but mostly that they're praying on the desperation of these people who like want them...

...to pray for them because they really believe that there's more power in the prayers of these televangelist because obviously God is blessed them. So God listens to their prayers. So if Benny Hen says, Hey, if you send me a thousand dollars, I will send you this little gold brooch that is of in the shape of a cross, and I will pray for your cancer to be healed, and then you're going to go wow, a thousand dollars to kill my cancer, because obviously Benny and is heard by God. Then yeah, go for it. Please take my money. I'll go into debt for it. And there's pastors evangelists like encouraging people to buy credit cards as an act of faith and like to open credit cards as an act of faith and to use the money on the credit card to invest in their faith future, as like a seed, and and that's at that. I don't think that's the mustard. See that Jesus was talking about seven of the Maw, like blessed of the poor, the meek. I mean this Craflo dollar come across as meek as Kenneth Copeland come across as me. I was once at a conference and Crafflo dollar was the speaker and he came to Australia and his private jet and he talked about how, prior to getting the particular jet that he flew to a flew to Australia on, he had another jet, but it was getting old and so he needed a new plane and he had a million dollars that he'd been gifted and he felt that God was telling him to give that million dollars to the church, and so he did, and then a few days later he was given a brand new plane, some crap like that. It was this whole thing about that give, give us everything that you have, like these stands out. Yeah, yeah, actually, that's it. That's it, because there's the story in the Bible of the lady who gives her last coin and yeah, I guess that that's kind of what they dive into the air. Is Give everything that you have to, you know, Express Your faithfulness to God and you will receive from him blessings in abundance. But at that conference where CRAFFLO dollar is talking about here how he has all these planes, there was a separate everybody paid a ticket to get to that conference. There was a separate offering taken up for Creflo dollar, like to pay him on top of what he had already been paid. Yeah, because, you know, people needed to show their faithfulness. Having grown up amissions, a similar thing that kind of sits oddly with me post all of this is we would pray for money, would ask God to like raise support or whatever, and then somebody would send money, usually the church or some of our supporters or whatever, and it was Oh, thank you God. Okay, maybe it was because they were trying to follow God, but the same time, that money didn't just fall from the sky. Came from somebody who earned it going to a job and then decided to give it to us. Yeah, and so that money that whenever preachers go, Oh, God will give will kill bless you. It's like, yeah, you're getting blessed through literal people who have physical money, and I giving it to you. So you're telling this poor person who's got nothing, has come to your conference to hopefully get healed and is believing that if they give everything, they will also get everything. They don't have the network that you had. They know the following you have. There have a cloud. They're not televangelist, they're just regular people. And where's the money going to come from? It's just going to fall out of the sky and yeah, maybe once or twice they might find a twenty dollar note on the ground and think that it came from God, but it's not. That's not changing lives, that's encouraging a false understanding of the Gospel and potentially ruining lives like yeah, it's right sick people to throw their crutches off the stage because they've been healed, even though there's no actual proof any actual healing has happened. Beny in, for example, no proof. Documentary crew followed him around, no actual proof that a healing has ever happened. That wasn't a plant or wasn't like vague and with no actual...

...evidence, like it's frying on the vulnerable really, and whatever you do, because it's not viable, it always goes back to you and your lack of saint and whatever you do, and no matter how you bankrupt yourself, if it doesn't happen, it's always on to you. It reminds me of from cheveral years ago, talking about Pyramids Games and they do know how to pray. On Specific Times I knew. Somebody said to me, I hate Tishu, I want you to meet the sky and Ye'd be great, and I went to the cafe, which had no phone signal either, and I actually thought my friend was shutting me up with someone and ended up being the older man who talked to me about my dreams and my goals and what I wanted to do and and how God had plans for me and and all that kind of stuff. He would never Shay specifically what it was that he was showing, though, and then he gave me a card and said that was a making. The week after and show I went with my friend to this meeting and it was full on pyramids, getting stuff like and and I looked but I was like what, twenty? Right now I would just laugh at it and be sarcastic. Can Not even go. But at the time I was at a young, vulnerable, disabled, impressionable, impressionable young Christian girl with no critical thoughts. Oh No, I Shay that I did have critical sort but I denied because you're not allowed to have critical thought and luckily I stepped back before I actually signed up for anything or committed. But I mean, how easily is it that you can just be taking advantage of yeah, and in God's name, and in God's name it's a whole other level of exploitation. Yeah, What's interesting is that Prosperity Gospel can be really supple as well. It's not always in your face. It's not always somebody saying I have a million dollar jet and you can too. Sometimes it's someone standing at the front of a church saying I didn't have any money and then I had faith and now I own my house, or you know what I mean. Like it's do you remember the prayer of Javis? Yeah, yeah, sad we we were in India when that was all going on, but an outreach team from here brought us a copy of the book, like the tiny little book. Ye must have missed this. Yeah, it's was he one of the judges? Yeah, Y, yeah, Oh, yeah, in of Israel, and he prayed a very specific prayer and I can't remember it exactly, but one of the lines was what I pray that you would increase my boundary. That was one of the lines and there were a couple of other things, but it and then can't remember and I'm not going to look it up because I don't really want to, but basically it's like full lines of scripture and for some reason it was the fat at the time and you were supposed to pray it every day, supposed to pray every day and then God would bring you. Increasing your boundary means you're going to get land, you're going to get a home, you'll cattle. Know that's but yeah, you know, basically it was if you pray this, it's the magic formula, because obviously he had something special. So that yeah, and it is that. It's trying to use the Bible or as at overally right and lack as some kind of magic spell. Yeah, when, if you look at the life of Jesus, he didn't known property, he didn't have a place to put his head. He was a socialist. Yoo, I shwall because you said that's yeah, he was there. And I mean I don't know, like if we want to get to in depth with this, and it's not like we're a bunch of socialist hippies, like maybe border line for some of us, but we can all agree capitalism's like a kind of harmful the kind of and I feel like there's a direct link between prosperity teaching and capitalism in the...

...whole like you can it's all on you. It's on you to work hard, you'll become successful. Work hard at your faith and God will reward you, and those things kind of seem to go hand in hand. And considering televangelism and Prosperity Gospel kind of originated in the states, where capitalism is king and like freedom and independence and all those things. Time together. It kind of makes sense that they go hand in hand. See, that's why you can have jet owning Kenneth Copeland, who will argue that he needs it because he doesn't want to fly commercial and be trapped in a tube with demons all is flying all over the world. And and if somehow he's comparable to Jesus, who the foxes have their holes and the birds have their nest, but the sun of man has no place to lay his head, how's that the same? How is blessed other poor, blessed other meek? The same? As you know, Jim Baker Selling Doomsday buckets. Speaking of which, do we want to talk about our case study for the night? We do so. Jim Baker is a televangelist. He basically was a husband wife wife team with his wife, Hommy Lee Baker, and together they started a program with puppets and they were, I believe, televised with that to begin with, and then they had a TV show that was aimed at children and then they started a TV show that was basically like a talk show. It had segments in it and it had, you know, different preachers coming on and and entertainers and all sorts of things and became this really successful show to the point where they became a satellite network. He is a pretty big deal in terms of televangelists and the PENTECOSTAL church in America. He's eighteen now, so he was born in what's that any one thousand nine hundred and forty? So he was born basically, I guess, our end of World War Two and you know, basically following that was the depression. He was born prematurely and his parents were very thought him to be very fragile. So he didn't have a lot of physical touch from any of his family while he was growing up. So he was kind of neglected in a sense and a lot of his upbringing was quite cold and, I guess, clinical in the way that he related to his parents and his family. He was also later on abused as a child's actually abused by a family friend, a church friend, but he didn't realize it was abuse as a child because he hadn't had any physical affection. So he was so desperate for any kind of effect and he took it that. He he took it and then, yeah, that person kind of abandoned him, and it did, to go on to say that he he had same sex attractiveness during his high school years. They didn't really go into that further after that, but there are allegations later in his ministry. Yeah, he had a really rough upbringing, not that that excuses any of what he has done, but I found it interesting to, I guess, have that foundation for understanding hurt people. Hurt people. As a high school that he was basically the coordinator of a variety show that their school ran as a fundraiser and he did that every year until he graduated. Apparently he was really, really good at it and it became quite popular because of it. People wanted to market him and he was like a DJ and whatever that looked like in the late fifty he claims that he actually in his last year of high school that he hit a child with his car accidentally and that's what inspired him to...

...go to Bible College instead of going in another direction. But that's actually kind of an embellishment on the reality of what happened, because he actually he did hit a child with his car when he was a teenager, but it was two years before he graduated. In a lot of his stories. He manipulates the story is to make them more impactful and to manipulate the listener. So he went to Bible College, dropped out after two years, admitted he had never at the Bible and went on with the woman he met in Bible College and married to become traveling evangelists. And Yeah, that's where they kind of started their evangelistic yeah, Korea. Why? Why isn't he a good guy though? Oh, so many reasons. So his career basically is, you know, made up of this televangelism show and churches that he runs and and all of those things. He very much was about the money. So they made millions of dollars and they built like a theme park, Heritage Park, which was like the third most popular theme park in America. What is with televangelists and building theme pass as? I don't even know. Can has the creation theme park that has a big Noah's Ark, and it to this guy had is it? Was it called heritage world, heritage Hark you were says, yeah, yeah, and that was I think the first major scandal was that he um, he had a big fundraiser to build the place. I hadn't even been built and he had a fundraiser for missions, like out of country missions, but they actually used that money for the park, not for out of country mission. Well, then later what he sold lifetime four day vacations, hotel stays at the hotel at Heritage Park for a small for I think it was like a thousand dollars each. Yeah, so it was a thousand dollars for us for a life two, three, three night annual stay. Yeah, he sold thousands of them, like Foo, he sold Sixty Tho, my God, of sixty that. So mathematically it wasn't possible to fit them all in. It just yeah, and it was intentional, and it was intentional. was just money grabbing. Yep, and and so that's what that's wasn't made the first big thing. And did he didn't go to jail for that, though, did he? That was one of the charges. Yes, okay, when was that? When he went to jail? Yeah, well, Hey, eighty seven was when the court hearing, yeah, start, or when the accusation started. It started. It went on for five weeks the trial and at the end he was convicted of every account. That the jury is guilty on all charges. So he got, I think, forty five years. Yeah, and five thousand dollar fine, five hundred thousand dollar fine. That makes more sense, but it's still nothing compared to the amount of money that he had received in the whole course of this. And then at the hearing, at the yeah, the ruling. Sorry, no, he appealed it, you know, because the judge said those of us who hold religion despise being made saps by preachers and money grabbing preachers in priests. That's how he had repealed or appealed it and got his sentence lightened because he said that the judge had mixed religion and state and had not made a was an unbiased ruling. And Yeah, he won. So, yeah, and this coming from the guy who comes from a whole line of preachers who mixed state and religion all the time. I mean Jerry Foul will, the guy that he handed heritage, Park and everything over to when he was going to jail, into his hand. He's Jerry fell well, the guy who worked with Reagan to turn the Republican Party into, you know, the tool of the evangelical right and like. It just makes me so angry that he then use that as like a reason to not have to be held responsible for all the evil and he did. And he's like, Oh,...

...you're mixing religion and politics, not allowed to do that, when here I am doing the exact same thing. He also peddled a Keela for the coronavirus, the shila solution, which is interesting. As he said during the Shagment, he held up the blue bottle and ash one of his expert panelish, a naturopathic doctor who's name was Cheryl Shellman, was a stuff actually works. So he said, this influentia that is now showcling the globe, Yeah, showing that silver solution would be effective, and she answered. Well, like Shay, it hasn't been tested on this strange of coronavirus, but it has been tested on other strange at the coronavirus and has been able to eliminate it. Was In twelve hours totally eliminated, kills it deactivates it, and later in the segment she also claimed that the silver solution has been proven by the government that has the ability to kill every pathogen it has ever been tested on, including styles and HIV, and would also provide users without vibrant commune system as well, and is as well as an ability to deactivate these viruses. So on that program the bottles at the silver solution are offered as incentience for donations to bake his ministry. You currently his website offers various packages of silver solution for donations ranging from a hundred and twenty five and two three hundred dollars. Something funny about that? Are John All of the last week tonight host. He's who spoke about bakers attempt to profit after virus. The last week tonight show created a website of their and that's a real website. That's his own miracle. Qua John All this premium well wilf solution and if you look onto it, look on the website, it takes visitors. Who takes visitors on to the landing page that simply says you should not have come here. So that's funny. And technically he's not selling it because you can get it for free as long as you donate. Yeah, can't be held live, but yeah, yeah, and don't know, it does a really amazing segment on televangelists. And then but he connects it with tax evasion and like using religion to be tax exam so then he started his own church. Yeah, that's right. Not eat talking that. I don't know the detail, Lady, of perpetual exemption, because it's all like, yeah, about how they're being exempt from having to pay taxes and collecting all these like all this money. And he ended it in two thousand and fifteen and all the money made by it, because people were donating the crap out of like to wor like wanting to give him money for good. Then he donated all to medicine. So Fortier, so too, doctors about boarders, just so you know, like they want televangelist who's done something like that. Yeah, did actually just like it's doing good, not just taking that was good, but good exploiting people's fears about coronavirus to sell them poison, because really all it's going to do is turn you Ashley Gray and potentially hurt your digestive system, but not actually cure anything, because it's all speculative and not probably researched and nobody should drink it. All right, don't drink bleach kids, like you was saying before. He kind of one thousand nine hundred and eighty seven was kind of the peak of what he went through, and then he went to prison and then his wife divorced him and then he came out of prison and he kind of rose again three days, got married again and started a new ministry. And, yeah, now he has what have come to be known as Baker Buckets, where basically there for people wanting to prepare for the apocalypse, the entimes, and so they have a bucket of dehydrated foods and soups and there was pizza as well, and I watched a tasting episode of it on Youtube. They basically tasted it and rated the food they made. Like there was...

...pizza, they made burgers, there was chocolate putting, there was some kind of potato soup, there was all sort just sorts of stuff, but they didn't give any of it a great rating. Basically, you can receive one of these buckets by donating a hundred and seventy five dollars or something like that, and you get all of this dehydrated food because you know you need to be preparing for the apocalypse because the end is near, because you know obviously a Bama was the antichrist. And then you know, now that trump's in office, worrior for the yeah, now that trump's in office, it's it's not that there's necessarily an antichrist. It's that all of the natural disasters are, you know, obviously pointing towards the apocalypse. Again, it's just exploitating fear. Right, things are crazy in the world right now. It's two thousand and twenty. Don't really use say anything else, especially if you live in America right now, you probably feel like you are in the end times and he's exploiting it by saying, look, you want to be ready, there's not going to be any food, you may as well buy my buckets for a thousand dollars or whatever. And Yeah, something that was interesting that they pointed out on that Youtube video was that for a lot of the things you needed boiling water, you needed like a refrigerator, you needed functioning oven. So you know, in the apocalypse, assuming you have a fully functional kitchen, you'll be fine with this fucking to have a microwave. Yeah, if you'll be right, if you're one of the rich people, we've got their private bunkers right. Yeah, that's because you believe in prosperity. Got So you'RE gonna get. God's gonna deck you out. I wonder if Jim Baker has a bunker. The Baker Bunker Baker buckets. I can't anything. Some of those people have filmed like rapture videos and they've got done and like if the rapture happened, and then there's a doing interitieness. Hello, the rapture has happened for you. They wake up and like pause it again for another day because, I guess, because the day they disappeared, like it'll just be released into the know. Yeah, probably just the DA can buckets straight now, like have a little bit of a nostalgic ring. I reminded like the whyche cay panic, and I one thousand nine hundred and ninety nine. It's pretty minimal, though, like the panic. Yeah, well not. I remember that. Shooting a huge group Friday night and we'll like they're not happened. Why is nobody I was like, why is no one talking about this? Like the day I discovered acid rain, I was like, why aren't we talking about acid rain? Turns out it's not as big a deal as what I read and Encyclopedia read. But why UK? Same thing, but this these Baker Buckets remind me of Doomsday Jusi preference. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Those people are afraid. I mean there's a fine line between being prepared and afraid. I'm an aneagram three style. I like to be prepared and I feel productive. Of best why I'm productive and preparing for the future and I feel like there's a healthy level of anxiety that helps me prepare for the future. This is like to an extreme and people are exploiting that fear. And it's not even just the exploitation of fear, it's the exploitation of people's faith, it's the exploitation of people's naivity, it's the exploitation of people being attracted to the charismatic person on the other side of the TV. And while I don't agree with some things in the Bible, and I'm not saying I totally endorse it, what they're doing is screwing some bits of the Bible that actually quite beautiful and not intended for evil. How isn't that a verse? What you have intended for you will go to use for good will what it was intended for good. They are using for evil to twist people's faith into fear and get money out of it. There is often a quite a tight link to televangelists and scandal. Oh yeah, what's up with that. I mean, I wonder if it's is it just people in the...

...public guid because you know the royal family, there's always scandals there and, like you know Hollywood, there's always scandals among the celebrities, because no one cares about joe blow who's in the middle of a scandal trailer park whatever. Yeah, no one cares about the scandals in my life. Really, they're not going to make media. I think that's a difference. You're trying drive the law and shone on the platform telling other people how toll is. So the thing. Maybe it's just this happens everywhere because they're famous, we hear about it. HMM, but maybe. But what about the fact that they should be held to a higher standard, perhaps because of what they're saying? Well, not even have I said, but maybe they should be held to the things that they say they believe. Yeah, see, that's hard because yes, absolutely, but on the other hand we're all human. I don't know. So what are some of the scandals that so we're talking about Jim Baker, we left out one of the big ones, which was the alleged sexual abuse of Jessica Hahn, one of his employees, at a hotel by him and his cohost of the show that he was doing. She claimed that they raped her and that he said afterwards that, or he always co said that. What was it? The shepherd and the I think it's when you help the shepherd, you help the sheep. Yeah, as in, you look after me, you're really helping the people that I'm looking after. When you serve the shepherd, you help the shape or y. and then that is what she claimed and she stuck to it her whole life and he even came out with a book later and admitted to it, but he was like all, but it was consensual, which, you know, no one can prove you the way, but I'm inclined to believe that. With his history, I'm probably believe the young you know, the young girl working at his church who he asked to come there for what was supposed to be a babysitting Gig and then turned into this. So there was that and there's the money stuff. I feel like it breaks down into three major types. So we've got like the sex scandals. We've got they live about their money, so I tax. They forward fraud, Yep, and they lie about what they're selling. So fake healings. What was a pe to pop off who was exposed. People thought that he got was downloading into his mind what they illness was even down to, like what's street address they had. And that's how much God cared about them, because he would say it and he be like, Oh, is your name Rachel? Yes, do you live at twelve blueberry landy, yes, I know, you're definitely left ear. Yes, okay, God was preview. Turns out his wife was feeding it to him through an earpiece, because everybody who entered the hall had written down on prayer cards where they were from and what their prayer needs were. So that's the third thing. They're lying about what they're selling or what they're doing. Yeah, like holy oil and all that, and some of the other scandals. So I found an article in USA Today and the headline tells you everything. Oh, fraud, private jets and a Lamborghini. Ten evangelist who face controversy. So we've got Kenneth Copeland, who said the demon thing about how he didn't want to be stuck in a long tube with a bunch of demons and that's why he flies private instead of commercial, and then he immediately backtracked on it said no, I never said that, even though he did. We Got Jesse duplantis, Louisiana Minister who has a private jet as well, and he said now some people believe that preachers shouldn't have jets. Is isn't a video from two years ago, in two thousand and eighteen? I really believe that preaches ought to have every available outlet to get this Gospel preach to the world. In the same video he showed off a photo of the three planes owned by his ministry. That bore the caption it's not about possessions, it's about priorities. I mean Rabbi Zacharias and Becausaccharias and the sexting. It was email as well to begin with, and they said texting, but like what kind of the numbing rangure shape the Jim Bakers come up in this article. He's he's selling properties at his Christian themed Morningside Development Southwest of Branson, Missouri, and he said his development, located in the ozark mountains, is the...

...safest place to live when the apocalypse comes. Where are you going to go when the world's on fire? He said, where you going to go? This place is for God's people in this place. We need some farmers to move here. What the Heck, man, these people are nuts. I actually thank if she apolo chapins, but pretty I kind the hills shere, well, the S. I can last asheline and Chitty in the world in the hill. Yeah, I'm showing mad night was line. No, I feel pretty safe where we are. When do we start dressing like mad night's characters? So now, now, this Ja maker have a had a dress for the apocalypse, because I bet you he would sell it if he could. Yeah, that's a scandals. We've got Joel Lastein and Hurricane Harvey refusing to let people coump out in his church because, yeah, let you say, he said it was inaccessible because of severe flooding, but then people posted photos showing that it wasn't. John Gray, a mega church pastor, gave his wife two hundred thousand dollar Lamborghini for their eighth anniversary. God's helped me to make my wife's dream come true, and his church, his church, actually weren't happy with him. He's like my wife, is pushed for my dreams, in my vision, and she is toiled with a man who is still trying to find himself. That carries a weight. I wanted to honor her for how she's covered me with a two hundredzero dollar car. Damn crazy. Oh Yeah, John Hagey suggested Hurricane Katrino was God's punishment from New Orleans planning a Gay Pride Rally for lgbt community. Yeah, he's not really scandals. These are just douchey things that people have done. But there's you can google anyone and there's like, because they can't prove a lot of stuff to it's people saying things. Yeah, but Jim Bakers like the best example, because he did go to jail for a little bit. Yeah, and he's a Sou Linbul and also still a person. Speaking of John Hagey and are profiting of fear, I came across a book that he wrote a few years ago entitled a financial arm again. Well, you must do to survived the devastation of an economic collapse or in a battle for our very survival. Discover how oil will become the ultimate weapon of war. Learn the four events that will cause the West to implode. Keep your investments from funding the enemies. Advanced why energy independence is key to our survival, which I am sure if you look up a certain big book store near you in curse on their website, you can find it for a thousand three hundred and ninety nine. Great advertisement. And what do rich people fear? moists them losing their money. HMM. So this week we're trying something you on our podcast. We're thinking about doing a little segment at the end where we talk about things that we've experienced this week that we would like to please don't stop, because it's so good. So something I've been doing in place of church is going to the farmer's market up the road from me and eating an amazing Vegan Bagel with aver smash on it it and having a coffee, and I would very much like the little bagel shop people to please not stop making those bagels. Can I just show I love the Internet. So I had been starting to finally watch the wickshaw this week. Girl, please don't start, you know really quickly before I shot up watching you, I show a pictures of him and I gives in the names and I was like, yeah, I get what people are attracted to him, but I'm not really done into it. And then the first moment it's just him bushy. Huh Huh. Anyway, it was really fun this week because I had a friend who was chick from work and...

...he was online and I was online and we both watched it on Netwix together and it was fun. Yeah, I like that two thousand and twenty. Okay, so recently discovered a new show which is new for me, probably not for everyone else. I've been watched it in three weeks. Okay, it was a week. I know if anyone seen Shits Creek, but it's on par with like the office pass a wreck Brooklyn nine as being, like now, one of my all time favorite can we watch it over and over? Just brings me so much life and enjoy it's if you don't know what it's about, like just check it out. It's it's about a rich family who suddenly for from grace who, I tell him, angels, because it lose all their money. Someone runs away with it and the Dad had bought the Sun as a joke for his birthday. He bought him the rights to the town shit's called Shits Creek, and it's only thing they have still in their name after their financial manager runs away with all all of their money. So they end up moving there and having to step down into regular life and it's it's pretty hilarious. So, yeah, give it a big recommend. Please don't stop. But they have stopped. They've finished their final season. They want a bunch of awards, which just validated it even more for me that I made a AC student to watch it, and you should too. It's creep let Asia, if you were a Televantalis, how would you sign off every episode? I'll shoe you on. Hell, I like it. It suits you. God wants your money and so do i. Ha, ha ha. That would you have Anna? I think I would sign off with something along the lines of please continue giving me all your money and believing all my lives. Hmm, do you know what we would collectively say to those people if they were like, should we send you money? Please, please stop, please stop all the really, it's not that we want to tell that dousters. Yeah, that's true. Please stop praying all these individuals to please stop, Jim Baker. Well, thank you for joining US tonight. It was an interesting discussion. Please like and subscribe to our sae foot page. If you disagree with anything, get into some flowing walls with me on the page. I love nothing more than to troll and we'll see you in a fortnight. We'll see you and show you in hell and send us all your money and we'll pray for it before we do.

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