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The Disney Hunchback one

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On this episode we dive into one of the Disney Renaissance classics, the Hunchback of Notre Dame and talk about power, corruption, spiritual abuse and epic table flipping over who we would cast in a live action remake.

Welcome to foot stop. We are three friends engaging in a holistic critique of the Christianity that we grew up with. Your pop culture and thought provoking discussions. Hi, guys, welcome to our podcast. I'm Anna. This is back and a teacher. Hi. This week we watched the hunchback of Notre Dame, the Disney film, and we had a lot to say about it. Was gonna throw it over to tissue to give us a synopsis on the movie, just in case you haven't seen it. Show. The hunchback of Notre Dame is based on the the DISHIGO novel and it's certain parish during the fifteen century. The story which centers on Krossomodo, the bell ring out of Notre Dame, and his unrequited loves as MORALDA. It goes into quite a lot of theme Shuch as power, control, appearance versus reality. Was this is last all wrapped up in the bow of the Disney film. Did you see the film when it came out back in one thousand nine hundred and ninety six? No, I didn't, but I have seen it before. Yeah, but it's like a completely forgotten what was in it watching it this time. Around was shocking. Yeah, I didn't see it then, but pretty sure hungry Jack's were doing a promotion and you got glasses when you like ordered a meal and they had like the characters on them. My grandma still has some of those glasses today and we had one. It had phoebus on it. That's a dumb name. I really wanted the Esmeralda one. Yeah, so the film came out in a pretty interesting time for Disney. It was during the RELIX nation once, so from nineteen eighty nine to ninety nine. I think so, though. They had two big names like the lion king...

...and Aladdin, but then I had really interesting storylines such as like Tarzan, I'm lawn, and quite interesting things that came out of the box, and I just I can't said. I'm like, not in a bad way, because I think it's great, but we doesn't. Who Thought let's let's do a Victor Hugo novel? I mean it was this all name is as a Disney movie. I think hang, this actually would make more sense if you can exolow the formula, because it's got the nats all that kind of stuff. That's true, but I'm I'm applaud whoever came up with a dish to the bills fishes, the commend books to the bills of a school, and some see the soul of the cities, the true of the listen and pounds is a til. Definitely the darkest Disney movie, I think, particularly of that era. Yeah, it's lots of intense themes. Spiritual abuse was one of them, definitely, I guess, a real like the struggle between like, politics and religion, as well as that social acceptance, slut shaming, definitely, women and how they're perceived by the men who they reject. Social...

Justice, social justice, Quasimodo and his whole disability. Yeah, self identity, I guess as well. There's a lot, a lot. Yeah, the kind of stuff that should be talked about. Maybe not in a kids movie, but yeah, Gargoyles, horse, I just thought we were stating the sidekick. Yeah, the Horse and the goat, definitely, but why were the Gils in it? The tone being so such a dichotomy, like between the hell fire song and the eyes of Notre Dame and the darkness of follows twisted soul in his like craving desire fell as morald and if he can't have her, then she let her burn and then, you know, Gogle like this. It's not my fault. FROLO, do you say Frolo? FROLLO, Yolo? No, no, Frollo, frollo. Sorry, like Frodo he and correct me if I'm wrong, but he's a prittest arch, arch tacon in the book, in the boy yeah, and in them changed it to the job judge. Yeah, so they kind of separate him from the church a little bit so as not to be too scandalous. Yeah,...

...so that all the Christian parents will still bring their kids to the movie. They didn't like Esmeralda, though, definitely, as she made herself a pole to dance around. Thought that was pretty cool anyways. Yeah, so he's a judge in this. Yeah, I think all the same, he's still uses religion to like just manipulate and justify his actions and as a element of power. I find them interesting, though, because he doesn't just doesn't just use religion as like, as a power thing. He genuinely believes it to with the Sun, the Hell Fire Song. He's genuinely troubled and and using that. Something interesting about follow is that he claims to be a righteous man and yet he displays some form of all seven day listings, sins and the lyrics of hell fire. You've got the obvious pride one. He says of my dirty I'm just free, proud, and you know I'm so much purer than the common vulgar, week licenseous crowd. Last you've got envy, you've got greed, because he wants to possess as Morolda. So it's interesting that in that one song, because songs in Disney films really are about revealing character. Yeah, exposition actually is. Yeah, that's late position, and it's interesting that it's not just literally with him, but it was intentionally putting in that this is his characters motivations. Yeah, revealing his motivations to the audience. Yet yeah, so he was written this way. I found that song really disturbing, like the way he blames her for his lustful desires. Often females in the church they have to think about the way that they dress,...

...the the way that they behave, all because they will lead a man astray. Yeah, and you know so, although you think it's extreme in that song for him to be kind of acting that way and blaming her, it's still happened today. What's underlying that is that there is a certain coded way that Christian women in general should dress. Yeah, and it all comes down to that whole truity culture putting on the woman. It's your fault. I mean in the Hellfire the song, some of the lyrics are I feel her, I see her, the sun caught in her raven hair is blazing in me out of all control. It's not my fault. I'm not to blame. Is the Gypsy girl, the witch, who sent this flame. It's not my fault. If, in God's plan he made the devil so much stronger than a man. So not only is he blaming as Morel, he's also blaming God a little bit. Yeah, we're making the devil, that's as Moralda, stronger than him. Yeah, yeah, that's kind of where that pride comes in, I guess. Yeah, you know. Well, I'm not at fault. No, this isn't me. Yeah, it's either it's as Morelda or it's God. You know, you did it. Yeah, he's literally fantasizing about this woman and is blaming God and he's blaming her, but it's that he's experiencing this thing that is desire and he has decided that that is a sin in and of itself. So, you know, I think he's like this evil, disgusting character, but at the same time there is this underlying you know, sex is bad, desire is bad, wanting somebody is bad, like wrapped up in that, which is also another thing that you know, is certainly underlying what we are taught where and not just in the church. I think, Hey, Tish, how graphic was it for a Disney movie when he grabs as moral there from the back and...

...is like breathing onto her neck and then smelling her hair and talking about how he's fantasizing about a rope around her neck? And then she says, she says I know what you're thinking, and he throws back at her. Trust you like Gipsy witchiness to twist my words, unholy thoughts, my on holding sauce so he she could feel his boner and she was like I know what you're thinking, and he was like Shit. I think it is that thing where kids don't pick up on the stuff that we do in movies. But we definitely didn't show our kids this movie until they were older. Like our youngest, who six, hasn't seen it yet. Because I just feel like the themes in it, I just's too much. And like I didn't see this movie as a child. I didn't see it until it was an adult. Just one of those Disney movies that that kind of cell under the Rodar. Yeah, yeah, for me anyway. But yeah, seeing it as an adult I was like, Holy Shit, like this is a kids movie. But it's. But it's not, like the themes are not. So the shines the Gargoyles, take them out. It's actually a brilliant film. Yeah, but it's not for kids. No, no, that's right. He takes the gargoyles out and it's not for yod yeah. So, personally, I think follow is probably one of the most evil villains in Disney films. And it's not he's not evil in a straightforward kind of way. It's subversive. So it's like psychological abuse in cities. Yeah, yeah, so one of the songs that he sings, and he sings it with Quasimodo, is stay in here, and one of the lines in here in this song...

...is you are deformed, you are ugly, and these are crimes for which the world shows little pity. And this song, it's beautifully done because it depicts the weight of, I guess, the abuse in a sense. So you can actually it's almost like you're feeling the heaviness of that. And so for everything he says, Quasimodo kind of echoes, you know. So he he says you are deformed, and Quasimodo sings I am deformed and you are ugly and I am ugly, and it's this awful scene, but I think it does what it intended to do. But just the psychological abuse of somebody that you have said you will take care of, but instead you have locked them in a tower and led them to believe that they're worthless. You are defore a these are crimes for which the world shows you as a monster. They will hate and scorn, and why invite their calumny and consternation? Faith wish? Those are terrifying. I don't hear. It would be deaf if you were like in the bells when, my God, quasimodo talking about the...

...bills, Oh, you name, naming them, and then he's like showing as Moralda around, and he like they're his Petsil, like his friends. Yeah, and then he's like this one's Oh my God, because he names them all. Maria, something, I can't remember, but like different something, Murrie, something, Marie, and then he's like, and this is big Murray. I think she's the biggest bell and as Morald is like goes inside and like listens to it, and then he just smiles and go. She likes you. I love CLUSTIONL I did love him. Yes, I've seen this film and somehow it hasn't like clean didn't stick with me. I don't know why. I don't think it was I didn't Shit it when I was eleven. I'm a start, and I was a little bit older, but I don't know why. Didn't you just close your moder. He's so sweet. MMM, I love him and he's so cute. MMM, here's what I would call softhearted. Yeah, like he has a beautiful soft heart and he just loves, yeah, with everything that he is, and it's I love him. HMM. And in a in a like in a body that could easily turn your heart hard because of how people treat you. It's a challenge just in regular life with able body people to not like get better. I can't even imagine what it would be like being treated the way that he was by Frollo and by society. Like he gets let out for one day and what happens? You know, crowd turns on him. The Shane that high will never ever get over in my entire life's after he has rescued as world or from the pile, and then he climbs up and it's so emotional and you hold your out and Yell Sanctuary, sanctuary, sanctuary, and I don't know why I'm so affected by that appointment, but yeah, it's yeah, it's beautiful. Yeah, you know, I mean it was a...

...thing back then that you could go to a cathedral or a church and ask for sanctuary and you would be safe there. But yeah, it's like the putting this plea out into the universe. I can either says save her, save us, like, yes, like a cry for justice. Yeah, well, as Moralda, yeah, cries out justice early in the movie. To See, we know what her motivation is, just as for her people, the oppressed, right exactually don't exactly what, and that's cause Amodo in a motivation show exact he doesn't know that's what it is. When it the movie starts, he doesn't realize that he's oppressed. Yes, and as he slowly, like gets to leave and then he realizes towards the end that Frollo is not his friend. Yeah, but is his enemy because he sees his motivations and and he sees as Moralda, and it's like not true. Damme represents a neutral space where Quasimodo has to leave it to get empowered and find freedom. Should want your garden of Aden. He toctually that should be able to find her independence, and that Dutch probably another. That's a different reading of it, though. That's not a Christian reading of it. She could on a good omens reading of it. Interesting at Klaushomodo, who has barely left the tower, has more of an understanding of what love is. Right ways are for allow. He's a judge, so he would have presided over people. Yeah, yeah, well, for Um, well, for for a, which about possession, and for our clustion, Modo was about like giving them freedom, giving for give you love something, let it go out. And how he put brought he let as morale to go. Yeah, he go. Yeah, and yeah, and so she could be with the person she loved. Yeah, after twenty four five minutes. Yeah, Phoebus is a dumb name. Okay, yeah, yeah, you know, it's so true. That's the big difference possession, which is self centered, and then freedom, which is generous. I did like that he doesn't end up...

...with the girl. In the end. Quasimodo was going through his own thing. His objective wasn't, even though he maybe didn't realize it at the time. I didn't think it was to get the girl. It was to get out from under follows thumb and discover his own freedom. Well, and she was a very first person who ever worked upon him. MMM, sort it was. It wasn't really about love anyway aid. It was just about being treated like a like a decent, regular human being, like being treated decently. So quasimodo finds a baby bird and it appears that he's been looking after the baby bird for a for a little all right, and he says good morning. Will today be the day? Are you ready to fly? You sure? It's a good day to try? Why? If I picked a day to fly, this would be it. I don't know if you can hear me or if you're even I don't know if you would listen to a gypsy forever. Yes, I know what just an outcast. I shouldn't speak to you. Still I see your face and wonder. Were you once an outcast? To God, show them the mercy they don't God. My people...

...will look to you still. God help me out. The Greatest Disney princess of all time Esmerelda Morelda. I'm technically isn't Nice. You know, I know she's technically not, but we will ignore technicalities. Yeah, because she is Badass. Yeah, and yeah, she speaks for justice, highly principled. Yeah, and she wants to lift her people out of the outcast situation. there. And Yeah, she's she is very outward focused. She. Yeah, she's not worried about her own yeah, issues, and she has issues. Could I mean Whiley female in that time? She's a Gypsy female in that time. She's a woman of color in that time. Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, she's a dancer for money. So she hasn't got family, she hasn't got stable income, she hasn't got a strong male in her life, which at the time would have helped her. She has a goat. She has a goat, you know. Yeah, know how hard that is. There's all the stereotypes about Romani people going around, that they are into witchcraft and all of that. So she's got that going against her. But when she goes to the church to get sanctuary, the cathedral, sorry, and you see there's a moment where she has a song and you see all these people around her praying for wealth and friends and prosperity and all of that, and she asks for her people to be freed and, yeah, for the good of her people. Yeah, she says, please help my people, the poor and downtrod. I thought we all were children of God. I thought it was great that as Marilla had so much agency for herself in a time where it was hard to have said she was bold,...

...she fought where she could, she had a lot of courage and she had a voice and she wasn't afraid to use it, and she was also gentle to as well. Yeah, sure, the addienfranchised. Yeah, like Quomodo. HMM. Yeah, so she wasn't just stereotypical strong, independent, HMM. She also had a tender heart. Yeah. Yeah, so why do you think she is the Disney princess that we should have our children following? Because she has the best costume, healthy sexuality. I love her dress. Sorry, I know that wasn't very no, now that shit she does. Yeah, healthy sexuality, yeah, all the dancing and the eyes and everything, but clearly knows her limits and her boundaries, working woman like in a time where it was hard for concern. Thanks Dolly. She stands for justice and I know a lot of the Disney princesses in their own ways are about justice or about caring for others or you know, that is kind of a thread throughout them. But in this one there's no pretense to it, there's no motivation for her other than her love of others, and I guess like there's no nothing in it is selfserving for her, and I guess that's what I would want as a parent. That's what I would want my children to see, is her willingness to sacrifice who she is in order for other people to be loved, and not in a sense where you have to degrade yourself...

...or anything like that. I just mean that she doesn't put herself first and she's not doing it for romantic love, which so many Disney movies that's the goal, whereas the goal of this is freedom for her people. Yeah, yeah, her relationship with Phoebus just kind of happened. It wasn't like she went after it? or or yeah, he didn't really go after it either. It just kind of happened and then, yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't. The goal wasn't for her to end up with fevers. The goal was for her to get away from follow. Yeah, good film. Yeah, I really like it. Yeah, I want to watch it again. Yeah, Oh, and it was Demi Moore that voiced her. How cool is that? You can when you when you realize how you hit her, talk and you look at her face, you can see the Demi Moore cheekbones. When quasimodo's tied up on the die, sort it not die, see it does, yeah, or whatever, and people are throwing things at him, as Morelda runs up to go protect him, and follow yells out, you gipsy, go get down at once. Yes, your honor, just as soon as I free this poor creature, I forbid it. Dare you defy me. You mistreat this poor boy the same way you mistreat my people. You speak of justice, yet you are called to those most in need of your help. Silent Justus if they would to make a live action film of the Hunchback Mauchdown, because they've done that a lot recently. They've been doing live actions. Of all the Disney reasons. Who would play the characters? So we'll just do you know, the main characters, allow Quasimodo, es, Marilda and Phoebus. Who Do you guys think would play Frollo?...

Liam Neeson? I wish thinking him to you too. Yeah, Oh my God, Oh my good. Yes, he was plays good, guys, but that when he was playing the priest in in gangs of New York and he wears the long kind of robe and he's only in it for the beginning of it, but day truthy. Oh yeah too, followed in and he voiced as land once in a yeah, direct to video. Yeah, he definitely got the voice. For Voice. He's in a pilgrim's progress, one of the early like s adaptations, so you know he's got the religious you know. Yeah, okay, as Marilda, you shall be taken. Great. I guess we're doing Liam Neeson. What about Quasimodo? That brings up questions, does because you would you would have to have a person's disability cast in the role. But then how can you comment on? I don't know, Oh, Tyrian, yeah, and Charlie different. But but okay, okay, same. I forget. You can, queen of English, but I mean ignoring the disability difference. He I reckon. He was. He's got the Gravitas, he's got the Grabati and the just from the way he brought the balance that gentlemansh and, yeah, and the depth to the character tyrian. The Voice of Quasimodo was bugging me the whole entire familiar. It shouts for familiar. I knew I need to wash and then I looked it up and there's a movie called armadish and he plays Wolf Gang like jot, but like he's a completely different character, like hyper off the planet, not sweet and not sweite at all. Angelic. Yeah, it was. It...

...made me laugh. Yeah, I'm there's one of my favorite film. So okay, so we got we got that down. We got quasi OKAYA, three dish. Who is it? She? Is it gone? You gonna? I'm not shying thiss, do it because I'm fire. NOPE, I know. I know. Showing this because I hardy. Hear me out with Tom Hardy. He's got to he's got the build a soldier. So, Oh God, here we go. Do you need so you were like, Oh yeah, this segments going to be so quick, we'll get it done like that. I'm gonna go home and like now we have to listen to a leg it. Sure did you bring a powerpoint, because you were totally the kind of person who would do a powerpoint to describe why we should choose Tom Hardy. God, nothing thing. All Right, I'm done. You going tell us why? Tom Hardy? Because he's got the right film, he's got the right ride a horse, I think, right for Oh my God, that's point number two. Crying. All right, at least I didn't take Kevin Max okay, can I just can I just say a suggestion? Not Not that I would want him to be played in the film, but if you look up, see this and I'll show look up. Oh, when Wilson, they have a disturbing physical resemblance. Wow, do you want to know who I think could play Phoebus? Who? Chris Hamsworth? Yeah, no, but like the way that he played I she's too sweet, the way that he played the in ghostbusters. That character kind of like dumb. But like you know. No, I'm not sure I will allow it and I think I'm against it because I like Christian. I just don't...

...like to see this. But now you're right. Okay, she give. I just want to give the people that are listening some context on why I'm being bullied. Show heavily and he's a water back. Sorry, I, I, I. I have a lot of hair with Tom Hardy. Know it's one sided. The other side is a screen. So that's why I'm dotting bullied the dish. Okay, yeah, okay, as Morelda. So what about the chick who played Mary Jane in Oh I'm in, yeah, homecoming, yeah, spider man, homecoming. She also played the Acrobat in the greatest showmans. And isn't Jenda? Yes, I was thinking Jenna do one from the first step up movie, because she's a really back in her dance movie. Whatever. What's wrong with a good dance movie? Well, Hey, if I'm getting bullied, to Tom Hardy. Actually, I would be really interested to know what other people who are listening who you would cast is the actors to playing a live action to do drop ush alone on facebook or instagram. If you can find someone that isn't Tom Hardy, let me know. Co Man, easy, Tom Hopper. Okay, done. Comment on our facebook page, especially if you got this far and you heard all of this. We want to know who's actually listening this far through the podcast. Right. Oh my God, Disney is developing a live action hunchback movie with Josh Gad what? Oh, with a hunchback remake. Disney wants to go dark. How much darker can you make them? Yeah, yeah, sorry, without completely wiping out three quarters of your audience? Yeah, I guess. Just add eyeliner onto them like they're get with Robert Pattinson, that man, and make it a rock opera. Thank you so much for listening...

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