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The Christmas wish one

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Christmas is almost upon us! Join us, and Ben from Finding the Line, for our last episode of the year as we tear into the Christian seasonal movie Wish For Christmas, and talk about Christian Netflix, Starbucks' war on the holidays and what this time of year means for us. Thank you for joining us throughout 2020 and dare we say, happy holidays!  

Hi and welcome to please stop,a podcast where three friends engage cholistic critise of the Christian culture we grew upwith through the Lens of Pop Culture and media. With him, honesty andtop the making discussion. We are usually three, but to night we havea guest. Well, get to be a friend. Oh Yeah, okay, Y, yeah, all the way from his own podcast, finding theline. That didn't work out. That it's great at it. It's good. I'm from finding line. Yeah, MIS been. Hi. Hi,yeah, I've been. I've been. Sure this is our final episode ofthe season and it is the season to be jolly, vy, jolly andshe get our joy. Yeahs, so if we're a little bit silly tonight, I apologize. You're welcome. This episode we decided we would adventure intothe Christmas Christian films. I personally ventured onto a streaming service that rhymes was, we can just say it. I wanted, I wanted to say something. Dick, you are Dickson. I want to should feel like do whatchick's feel a goods. That would be nice. It's called pure flicks andwell, the streaming services and it's Christian Netflix, right, lot's Christian something. Yeah, and they really missed out. I read this on Redd. It'snot mine, but I thought it was so funny. They should havecalled it cruciflix. That's perfect. I've been great. Oh, I wouldhave shined up to that shut the whole thing like it's not. So youcan't get pure flicks in the state in Australia. You can only get it, think, in the states. Yes, so we had to use a VPNto check it out. But there's a whole alt reality that you canlive in if you wanted to, if you wanted to only consume Christian versionsof all the media in the world, you could. They have swashbuckling adventureromps, they have romance, they have aliens, they have CSI type proceduraldramas, they have everything you could possibly want, but it all has aChristian spin. So I don't know, is it still art if it hasa message, like if that's the whole point of it rather than the pointjust being expression whatever? We already talked about this one all the time,but pure Flix is nuts. And Yeah, check it out if you have aVPN. Just little Lulls, strange, feel good, safe and Stanley entertainment. That aligns with Y old values. How maybe your values. They knowwhat my values your values, if your a watch, if you've madeit to this website, your values called Karen. Sorry to all the Karen'sout there. Well, we've watched this film. Can you tell us thefilm, because two of US cheated and, you know, not done at homework. So wish for Christmas is what the film is called and it isthe story of a shelf centered high school and Anna, who wishes her parentsfaced away when they interest she attend Christmas Eve service instead of the towns whento ball. What follows teaches her the value of faith, friendship. She'llflish love and the true meaning of Christmas. I mean just another generic Christian Christmasmovie. I read a thing that it was supposed to be like atake on it's a wonderful life with them, where the guy wishes he'd never beenborn and then he sees his life play out without him in it andthen discovers it. It's all about giving...

...in Christianity and Christmas, etcetera,etc. Except that it's wonderful life is actually a good movie and Clarence isthe best angel. However, this movie was weird there's some. So whathappens is this girl, Anna, wishes that her parents were not Christian sothat they wouldn't have to go to church on Christmas Eve and she could goto her Christmas ball for school. I'm that she's like, I'm the committeefor creating and putting together, but her parents are making you go to thething instead, and so she wishes their faith away. And so all ofa sudden they become, well, I thought, pretty cool. All ofa sudden the mum's wearing eyeliner and wearing black and their law firm that theyrun is all of a sudden making a lot of money and they seem likesuper villains, but honestly, so. So the concept is that they losetheir faith and suddenly they're evil, but really they just seem like cool parents. I I am actually really intrigued by this universe and I want there shouldbe a further investigation into it. Not like you think I'm drinking right,but okay. So the thing is she feels smothered because her parents are othervery whatever Christians, right, and then she wishes that their face would disappear, and it happens. What kind of power is it? Plays here.You mentioned back before the podcast on the way or short of like biblical,that the Pharaoh. Yeah, hard hardening pharaohs R. is that what's happening? Yeah, hardening the parents hearts and flock to what and where the implicationshe's gone to board with their divine existence that day would play with? Idon't understand the end game of this and I know I'm way over analyzing this. So can I ask question? In the movie that is there, isit like an alternate reality? We should wish actually just plays out that thisis actually at the end, they become Christians again. But everything that Ihad done and it was shocking. Yeah, like they have to live. Whatthe consequentious of it? But there's no there was no choice to whatthey did because God just went boom, your daughter wants to go to thewinter bawl, you're going to turn. Yeah, Non Christian. Yes,what do you think a movie like this, because it's obviously a commentary of someshort it's definitely meant to be a shilly Christian film, but it's meantyou a commentary and that commentary is on what they believe non Christians should belike. How do you think that translates. Non Christians have better taste than Christiansnow, especially when it comes to fashion. The girl has to sheshe has this dress that she she wants to pick out a dress for thewinter ball, and her mom, when she's Non Christian, goes dress shoppingwith her and is like, Oh, where this slotty red dress? Exceptit's not. It's not a nice red dress that you're you know, seventeenyear old. Were to a ball here in Perth, Australia, and it'sfine. And at the end of the movie she ends up not wearing thatdress but wearing like a really chaste pink elegance Cinderella ballgown tape dress and goesit was my taste after all. Was it your taste? Wasn't? Iget no, she's something very interest sting that and the promotional material for thisfilm, pure flicks, has decided to have her in that red dress,which I think is very interesting. So what I'm getting from this is thatwas a very simple storyline, like there wasn't a whole lot of complexity,except that they didn't resolve anything. No, no, by the end of themovie she decides not to go to the ball, even though she wantedto know. She does go to the ball. She does leave, butthey she leaves because she does. Do you know in the typical high schoolfilm when they're at the prom and then...

...the main character does a big speechthat nobody, not the whole general class, would ever know what they're talking about? Yeah, but like you know, likeing main girls, when Katie isthat movie where she breaks apart that t yeah, yeah, so inthis one, at the end she realizes herself and stands up on the podiumtalking and then she says, now what I'm going to do is I'm goingto go to church and I would like anyone who would like to come withme to follow. And she actually leaves the ball. Yeah, and walksthrough the streets. No, it's follow that. She goes by herself andthen she walks into the church and sits down and then and then her familyand everyone follows after. It's in that Chand can you imagine being that atball? Just on like random kid gets up like I'm done here, I'mgonna Church. She walks out and then like five minutes everyone follows. Ohyeah, we should be a church and clan. Reality. visal. Maingirlfriend who has had this weird squabble dynamic throughout the whole thing. Then,apparently leaving the bold at they also stench all three months or whatever. Nowwe're living her months. Whatever, I don't know. Whatever, I don'tcare. Hell along guy. Oh the she's HMM, it's a bell ringup like costume and I didn't know that. You I don't know, but Ithought it was a job. I don't I don't know how works.She puts trash in his little kettle that he's like reading the bell for andhe yells at her and it grows trash at her and her dad's a hundreddollar bill in there, when he's a Christian. And then it just it'sall messed up and she becomes friends with him ad buys him a pizza atthe end of the movie. So it's fine, it's fine. He's likeliterally homeless and again, you know, thanks young white girl who saying thishomeless thing by buying a pizza. It's just just like, once again anotherfilm made by Christians or Christian is completely covered this sans rapid in this movie, completely unaware of reality and not even trying to make it seem really becauseit's not fun, because real isn't like Christmas. In any other Christmas movieit would would have been the homeless bell ringer that was the one that grantedthe wishes. She that that would I actually thought that's why they were goingto go with it. No, because it was God, because no oneelse doesn't measine. I have to show. I did like idea of his characterbecause he was a sarcastic joke and I like that. Yeah, Ilike when you through trash at her. Oh God, my favorite moment wasshow because she's so clearish and he's standing there with his black bucket of themoney and she watch past and put her can and drink that she's throwing inthe bin in it and he's like Oh, princess and accuses her and she's likeOh whatever, and then hours later she returns to walk past and hepicked up the can out of his bucket and throws it out. Why wouldhe have kept that can in the bucket so the three four hours? Itdoesn't make sense except to throw it out her, to throw it out her, unless he was secretly the angel. That would have been the trope inall the other films that you were speaking about. That would have been cool. I would have been good with that. I also want to talk about Christmasin general and Christians obsessive needs to own the holiday. HMM. AndI was going to go into a whole...

...history of Christmas and the Satin AliaFestival and and the Pagans, but that's having done. We all know thatthe Christians appropriated Christmas. Kirk Cameron told us about it and he's saving ChristmasSaga. I love you, Kirt Cameron. It is a really interesting take thatChristians have on capitalizing, not capitalizing, trying to own Christianity. Like doyou remember, like in two thousand and fifteen when, because starbucks inAmerica do a holiday, thems Cup every year for Christmas? And when?One year, I remember getting up and going on facebook and I actually thoughtit was a hoax because everyone seems to be going off about how rich starbuckshad decided to just do a simple, minimalistic Red Cup and apparently that wastaking away the religious freedom of Christians and added to the whole how we can'tsay happy holidays and what next? curial law? Sure you are drowning kittens, all of that. So then, Ann know you. The past isn'tthe church don't hold it against all night. What look, what did she find? I guess, like we've all been in church. So like howdid we find Church Christmas? Definitely, from my perspective, as far asbeing a pastor at the time, like, I loved Christmas absolutely to the wholeseason. It was just like the biggest thing for me. I lovethe Vibe, I loved the whole spirit of it, like that idea ofhumanity, people all coming together. I would be that jerk who said MerryChristmas everyone in the shops. I think trying to insert the Christian story intothat was like this really great time where you got to be really public aboutit. As far as doing my job, it felt like that was the onetime where it was almost the easiest and I was allowed to do itas far as putting a public message out there for everyone to hear and doingcommunity events are people actually wanted to come to. So it was empowering,I guess, as a church leader in that sense, because everything around Christmasyou get your way a lot in the Christian world. So that was alwaysreally interesting for me. Christmas is the busy time for churches. There's eventsGalore. You have you know your Christmas hampers that get given out. YouHave Your Carols by candle lights or your Christmas in the park or your Christmasservice, your Christmas Eve Service. Yeah, Christmas parties, your yeah, yourshoe boxes, Christmas in a shoe box, you're new years eve parties. Like it's all there's all of these events that are organized around that timeof year. Working in a church, it actually becomes incredibly hectic because you'rehaving to plan multiple events and you're trying to get people to volunteer at multipleevents and you're on a budget. But it's also this expectation from the peoplewithin the Church that you have those events happening. So it's interesting from thatperspective that it can almost become a bit of a chore, I suppose.I think some of my favorite Christmass have been when we haven't attended church onChristmas Day because somehow it felt like Christmas was hijacked because we had to spenda large portion of it at church. And now we can wake up onChristmas morning with our kids and open gift, actually let them play with their gift. Our kids never used open gifts until we got back from church.Now they actually get to experience that, you know, the wonder of Christmasmorning and drinking eggnog on Christmas Eve and just some of those little things,those traditions that we can actually have as a family now, because as muchas the Christian Church has hijacked Christmas, the Christian Church also hijacks, Iguess, the experience of Christmas from Christians.

And the other thing is we noticemore and more and more that the numbers of people actually attending church Chion Christmas day we're dropping dramatically every year, to the point where we were havingconversations locally amongst the churches here about just basically taking in turns every year, like, because there were the hardcore people who really wanted to be thereand we're going to let burn villagers down if you weren't running a church serviceon Christmas morning. So we tried to come up with this ideas like well, rather than all of us doing a butt ton of work and writing fivesermons a wait for this week period for like Christmas Eve services, and thenthese usually a Sunday within two or three days of it as well, like, why don't we all just sort of like divvy it up and everyone cango there. But yeah, there is this decline of people showing up onChristmas Day for those as well, which is a trend, I guess.Hay to going to church on Christmas. We did Church on Christmas? Ithink I can't really yeah, maybe maybe Nedia, but I don't really remembergoing Christmas to Church on Christmas Day. There was always family and presents,which is great. That's a cool pie about being well in, while I'mwe're intoed in our nationals. So home, yeah, it's called it. Thenthey n article him multiple national so we didn't really have a family church. So we just went to to frons every Sunday, which meant that whileI was like our family or just our family, was our family. Yeah, it was just awesome Christ this morning, which awesome solely good childhood Christmas.We always went to church on Christmas Day. Growing up, I wasn'tallowed to. So we woke up on Christmas morning and there would be apackage at the end of our beds and that would be new clothes to wearto church and then after church we would be allowed to open our gifts.is also not even fun clothes, like no, no, like make newchurch clothes that we would wear to church, whether you liked them or not.Whether you liked them or not. Well, that's something I was funyeah, yeah, and and then after that we would come home and we'dbe able to open our gifts once everybody had arrived. Hoime thing was likemy oldest brother is thirteen years older than me, so when I was sixhe was nineteen, so he was off doing his own things. I alwayshad to wait until they were all home before I could open any gifts.You know, I'm not bitter at all. And then would have like family lunchor whatever. YEA, but yeah, Church always hijacked the Christmas wonder forme, trying into the whole service with Christmas. I think was anunintentional part of the film to think about. Is Shush if need of servish Anna. I felt fairly also you meant to think she was selfish in thefilm. Felt that she had to do a lot of things because of herface. Like at the very beginning when they were going to go to Biblestudy, they will show her family were holding Bible study and another lady couldn'tcome because she'd had a child, and her mother said, Oh, that'sOkay Ana. Can She babysit, and Anna was, of course, becauseshe's a typical tunager and always on her phone and selfish and uh, Ihave to baby, should a child. But why is it that expectation?She having to do that all the time? And we've spoken about this before,about how we are either a two or have a wing of a twoand that there have been studies to show that Christian women do tend to havea two in them from the Anya Rahm personality test. It really resonated withme that you have to do this stuff...

...all the time. and no wondershe wanted to just go to a Goddamn ball and Christmas Eve. Yeah,and what was the problem with letting your kid grow? Not only it wasn'tlike she wanted to go and be a f first of all, she wasjust like a regular church girl, but also she was on the committee planningit, like she was in charge of running the show, which means,you know, Yeay, extra copogular activities, extra curricul activities, and also she'spassionate about something. That's great. Why don't you want her to comeand be at Church of her own court? Way Was gonna do that. Shehas other passions to and you should be encouraging her to be a leaderin her community and it is cool. And Yeah, and remember the linewhere she was like that, that I'm on the committee, I have togo, and her mother said, oh no, that's okay, you canstill be on the committee. So it's still be on the committed to organize, but not that not actually go through the ball. You can bet passeslife. You don't have to be a pastor. Yeah, Oh yeah,people actually asked me if I was studying my degree in theology so that Icould be a pastor's wife. And you can be on the committee. Still, you just can't be part of doing anything unless it's Children's ministry or Women'sministry. I got to preach on Mother's Day once. Oh, proverb toanyone? No, I was rebellious proverbs three, five and six. Yes, I don't know if I've ever made a decision of my actual own courtin my life. Ever, it's all conditioning doing it for me. OhNice, fund hold control of my life entirely. The things I like becauseI like them, or do I like them because somebody told me? Ilike them because of the social concepts that my own and lean not on myown understanding and he will make my paths right. Wow, I'm in fresh. Here's a fun one, whether or not we put this in, butwe had a work party for Anna and his work on Saturday and so that'sa couple of that met me before, but it's first time that sort ofmet me and really sort of hung out and we're the whole night and night. So stuff, and apparently the story that was told about us the nextday I heard was she were saying that they all said that we're really cuteand super innocent, which is fucking hilarious. But I was sort of thinking onthat and like yeah, because we're trained to project that like our entirelives. We are regardless of what is going on inside, what we've gotgoing on elsewhere. We know how to project that we are pure and innocentand we do it naturally. I don't even think about it. But yeah, yeah, that's a really good point. I do that too at work allthe time. And you know why it works in hospitality? Because menlove that, because they're like yeah, pure, innocent girl, semi attractive. WHO said me? Yeah, that's awesome, but it's like that's nottrue. I hate everyone that and I'm pretty dirty. I'm not just goingto project that into the world, because people treat me differently when they knowwhat I'm in. Like and and rory is like just utterly confused at howI like, how I can be so like innocent and like Bandy in onearea and then, like, as soon as we can, not like that. But yeah, yeah, I know you men, and not even that, but like talking about option and just not being that image. That wasvery carefully created image. That is the only safe thing to project, becauseanything questionable leaks by the questions, leads dangerous territory thanks to questioning your salvation. And you can't be in a position authority or got the bid. You'rea pastor and you're projecting any hint of...

Oh my God, he shrinks beer, but like one right, that's that's okay, right, and it's likea Medi right, like it, okay, session, so it's okay, right, yeah, okay, like, what's that's a messed up and there'snot's not you. You're not being authentic and you can't be authentic. Andwill you be a Christian, because wife, what the numbelieve? It's easy.It's just like a look it's was such a depth, deep live ofconditioning. I've been really considered before. Yeah, those seem one seems tobe everyone. We like Anna. I thought she was a really good character. I mean, I'm she had a great name actually, but like atthe beginning, yeah, at the beginning when I'm so there's the useless secretaryat her parents business, who who shares out of the blue, like itnot exposition at all. Oh No, I have accidentally showed all of thatinformation to the rival company, Law Firm. R She said, all the casenotes from a case to the rival law firm accidentally in an email.And and that I thought that's just really interesting. Anna satdown like, ohno, this is what you do, and she went full on like computerhacking. I'm sending email, used an apple software or something. And but, and then that was never ever mentioned ever again in her character. Likeso she's good at computer. So something like Daddy. But of course thatis outside the scope of good young Christian woman that you're meant to become.MM. But not only that, but then months later she's at a collegeparty with this cute boy and then chatting about stuff and the boys trying tolike be your hey, stars were made of starters. Cool, great,all right, astrol, any one on one on youtube and she's all likestarry. I have for him. And he said something about how son isa bunch of light years. where she goes, what's the light year?So this girl, so you telling me, she knows how to Stul plug andit's going to retrieve that email with a large, you know, alarge email too, because it's got a bunch of documents on it. Andand she doesn't know what a light year is. So like these, that'sa real character. And also, if she was just doing it to belike hi Guy, I think. Can you tell me space ex can Ijust saw one Heshi little comment. So when she, when I go,said that the guy has to ask the built of the bowl whatever, andthen give to girl a flower, right, and she wanted a red rose.That I've got, apparently, because she ship official. Her boyfriend,what a guy she ends up with, gives her a carnation and she getsa little bit up. I don't like carnations, and then later on hetries back at it. And what's so bad about carnations? Because carnation suckman. I agree with Anna. I mean really. Yeah, and whydo you always have to be grateful for freaking carnation? And if it's oneflower, why up, splash up and get a freaking room. Is Dadwas going bankrupt. Okay, oh, go pick a rose from aunt NablesGarden. who think you walks around with it with a camera filming, butit will not building. Classy guys basically...

...the same thing, like the kidfrom American beauty. What does he say? He says, Oh, I liketo see these other people. Go See. Yeah, totally. Theguy like building the other things in the world because it's so beautiful. Whatis not only this film, but what you Christians think of Non Christians?It so clearly. Apparently they think that we want our children to get piercedin dodgy shacks by a needle. We're a lot of black. We're alot of black have to babyshit random people's children. I care about your realgood. Oh yeah, and then, so what happened? Is The ladyCanning to Bible Show you with a child, but by then the parents weren't Christiansanymore and they've forgotten to make their daughter baby shit, and so thelady had to step in to Bible study with a child and a child notdrover of ours, and it broke and previous Anna's mum would have been all, oh, it's okay, it's just a valuable it's just a material good. But Post Not Christian any more. Are and as mom was, allall that Chunky. I'll send you the bill. One of my favorite partsof movie with and I forgot about this until just now, but and ittakes out a Bible and puts it on the end of the bed, kindof books whatever, when you put in like a box the end whatever ofher parents bedroom while parents in the bathroom, and she just leaves it there andwalks away. Parents come out of the bathroom and kind of just stareat it like it's a dead squirrel or something in the house, and themom's like can you hear to that? And the DAD's like, I haveto brush my teeth. Can you get rid of it? And she's likeI have to get dressed. You get rid of it. It's like thedumbest thing. Like the Bible if, even if you're a non Christian,it's just a book, like and you wouldn't be so scared of it,like if you were not a Christian because it doesn't hold any power of you'sjust a book. It's kind of this hostile response to this powerful item.Yeah, this whole thing that shoot. So she wishes that her parents wouldlose faith and obviously were talked about how the like. This is radical change. That sort of come just to depict what someone without faith would be like. But I think we've all gone through experiences where we've lost faith. Havewe experienced such radical changes in our matter? Morals varies ourselves, or is thatsomething that is accurate or isn't accurate? Is that I think someone should beafraid of? For me, I was Alash. My moral didn't changeas such as I was I lord a freely express some I was always aclottach little leftist, and we're talking about pretending before how we had a facade. That was very much me chaff and the personally know my morals didn't shift. I was just able to express them, but that's assuming. Okay. Sowhen I was going through deconstruction over a period of years, I rememberedwho I was before the journey began and during the journey and after the journey. I didn't go from being Christian to non Christian overnight like they did.So the question is, did they in the movie remember who they were beforeand then all of a sudden switch morals just because if they go from Ato B, you know one hundred and eighty? Because mine were obviously beingbrought up super what's the words? That's with an our religious. There's anotherword, repressed. They think. I'm...

...sorry, that's the same word.So then, for me, deconstructing was also pushing the boundaries of what I'vebeen raised to believe was right. So I wouldn't say it was immoral oranything. It was just I was testing the waters and things that I'd beentaught were completely wrong, like trying weed for the first time or whatever.Ever, I wouldn't call that being like losing my morals, and I've sincethen bout, like rebounded back to like. I guess I was raised one extreme, so I tried another extreme to counterbalance, and now I find myselfin the center with a pretty balanced worldview and a carefully curated belief system,and I think I'm pretty moral. Kind of actually to see I've been workingon a personal moral code. Yeah, I'm kind of a nerd. Actually, I'm kind of a squid and I follow the rules, I really do, but I feel like I'm a little more liberated than I was before.So I do say my mind now, speak my mind now, but Idon't think that's a moral and I'm not as mean as I used to be, which is weird because I was like Super Christian and now I'm nicer,not. Yeah, yeah, I guess for me, like it's just asense of freedom, like I'm am a rule follower. Have always been arule follower, and I'm learning to color outside of the lines in different waysand I feel like that sense of freedom is actually making me more more becauseyou choosing it instead of being, yeah, what to do, more ethical,I guess, because everything is so we thought out and yeah, Iguess that's that's kind of it's the freedom to actually make the choices. Yeah, like like the being nice thing, for everyone thought I was really nice, because I'd like to figure out how to present that image right, butreally, tissue can tell you I was not very nice at all, andI mean on the inside, on the like inside the safety of the car, with tissue to talk to, I'm like, Hey, we're all people, like everyone's got the journey and like we got to be kind to eachother and be loving to each other, because what's the point, you know? So and yeah, and I find the average person hasn't really well,like Roy, for instance, how he's going to him for an example,because I see him a lot. But he hasn't sat down and thought outa moral code like I have, because this is just nerd back and Ifeel like I have to have one to replace what I believe before without thinkingabout it. So, yeah, I'd some more moral now because, likeKanna said, I've really thought it through and and maybe I'm not like thatnaturally, but that is what I aspire to be at least. Again,I relate to that lot because I think if a lot of people are toobjectively look at my life in comparison to that, I would definitely be likethe story of the people in the parents in the movie that the guy hewas clearly lost his way. But as far as my morals and understanding andthe way I like, actually genuinely like people now, whereas before it waslike I had to yeah, and and as I was saying, this reconstructingreally solid ethical values and boundaries around all sorts of aspects of life that areactually like. I like your idea of building them oral code, because essentiallywhat you have to do and I feel at the more genuine for it.And it's interesting, like you guys were saying, in the movie it's almostlike the movie has a regression story. She's makes a wish, comes toa place of freedom and understanding and also stuff and regresses back to this StepfordChristian sort of. So it's a really sad story in that sense of whatit is, because she doesn't grow, she regresses journey into repression. Yeah, it's really it's really a set like it's a horrible narrative really, asit's reverse character development. And so you...

...would almost weren't supposed that the parentsin that space would had been given freedom to experience the lives, and maybethat's just how they would have back to me. But they were always thosepeople. Maybe they will that people in the car after church. You wouldhave done all the horrible things that they were presented to do. But atleast they are being true in themselves. Then so is actions. Is theright actions actually worth something if it's not done with the right heart? That'sinteresting. Do you reckon that? It wasn't about Anna at all, butit was about them being punished for then too prideful in their place, becauseit was all very day. Were outwardly who good, too good? Maybeit was a whole spiritalial journey for them. Yeah, maybe they're the protagonist andaddeds to side character. Oh, boom, very fix the movie.Yeah, I've been more excited, but I stop carrying about it about threeminutes ago. Around Christmas tree, at Christmas this will you can't see.Let's just stop rock around Christmas. All right. So what is your favoriteChristmas film? Oh, that's really hard. I love Christmas movies. The holidayis probably my favorite Christmas movie. Yep, dude law cries, JackBlack Dances, La cries. Yeah, everyone cries. Is An amazing film. Awesome soundrack, Hey winslit hangs out with an old man. What's notto love about that movie? Come all music, although like, don't judgeNibs, you because you know know who they are and they're not as scary. Also, like way a handle a crisis on your own, problem solving, bravery, having me a grown up and you don't know how you grownup. Lots of stuff. Plus, you know your family loves you,even if they need to be released your mom days. I think his familya jerks, just saying they are, but his mom isn't. But he'sdown road evil as well. I mean he could have called the cops atany point, but he's rational choice was I am going to torture these peoplebecause I can. Yeah, well, I got Portu of Heshi and theother guys thereby and had a lot of medical assistance by that me. Soyeah, but also he's a kid and I'm just other than the soundtrack isbalm it's so good. Yeah, then, what's your favorite house? Is Hot. So we had a family tradition which we have kept largely with ourkids as well. So growing up we would always watch muppets Christmas Carol everysingle Christmas Eve, and I do it. Dw that movie. It is beautiful, beautiful man and I did a remake, or they did a newmuppets, because I've never actually watched I've heard his trash. That doesn't existas far as I'm concerned. So that was great. But the one I'mwe actually watched this again the other nights on Netflix called Klaus, and thatis a beautiful film. I absolutely adore that movie. So yeah, Ithink at the moment that would be my top Christmas film. If you sayOh home on. Was gonna say that, but I was actually going to know. I was actually going to do...

...a disclaimer and go cool tissue wantsto say that die hard is our favorite Christmas film, but I love Edwardsas a hands I love it so much and I still think it counts asa Christmas film. Christmas I was well, we were going to watch a Halloweenfilm, me and Noel, and we ended up watching beetle juice andsomeone was like, Oh, let's do it was a hands and I wasvery adamant. That is your Christmas film and we all weren't watching on Christmas. Okay, so then we started a new I don't know then. Knowwhy I'm Shaying. We started and you we've been doing I should have passedfew episodes. So it's a segment in our podcast where we say what wewish. Would please not stop things that have been good during the week,things that we've Wad and I know this is sort of probably encounter intuitive toeverything was sort of set, but the thing that jumped to mind then was, just like Christmas, Carol Events and all that some of stuff, andI know they're run by churches and they usually have like a whole flare tothem and all that so stuff. And sure I could do without that,but I think if they weren't doing those a lot, the communities wouldn't havethat time in that space to actually sit somewhere and actually just bond together asa community and all that sort of stuff. So to all the Christian churches outthey're doing well, trying their best to do a good job at justgood community carols. Please don't stop. Please don't stop playing Christmas carols inthe shopping centers. I know a percent of people hate it, but Iactually love it. So me too. Yeah, maybe it's because we havegood a church anymore. Please don't stop M Christmas episodes of TV shows.HMM, actually, yeah, because they're all always end well, no matterhow dark the TV shows. So yeah, something and I wish wouldn't stop.That already has an album. Warn it forever. Two killers used torelease a Christmas song every year and I was a best youtube. Don't shootme, Santa. It's the best. I love it so much, butit stopped and I'm sad yeah, just bands in general doing Christmas albums.It's so good. said it before. I will show you again handsome's Christmasalbum Snow Dinger is the best Christmas albums for the Pi benegged ladies. Christmas. Parashader, if you're out there, she would love you. Ah.Yeah, what's your favorite Christmas Carol? We shrieking. That's yeah, O, come, O, coming Manuel. Well, this is a hard one. Yeah, I don't know. I haven't deconstructed Christmas in all be okayto know. Yeah, yeah, I just haven't made made that backwards.Rocking around the Christmas tree was always rocking. Yep, I was always like thatone. I'll be safe and go with that. That's home alone.Was the first time I've ever heard that with the yeah, rock, noroom. Yeah, I like, Oh holy night. Yeah, I know, it's still because beautiful on your knees. One. Yeah, me too.That's we was going to say that one, but I was like,I just don't know, I haven't really thought about it. Yeah, Iknow, I get that, like deconstructing belief or what you believe, buteven still, there's that one line in it. Till he appeared and thesoul felt it's worth that like gives me chills even even now, like weather, like having deconstructed and reconstructed, just not knowing why, but it's justgives me chills. Yeah, this that's beautiful because, like I always hadthis tension that there's a lot about my...

Christian faith that I really loved andI think is actually still really healthy. There's a lot that was obviously damaging, but I think this stuff like that in this little values and specially insome of those Christmas songs, just great little lyrics that actually have really greatmodels to them. They capture something. Yeah, there's there's something in that. So I did singing lessons for a lot of years and I had asinged teacher and she was great, like the most fictional outdoor eccentric character youwould have meant. I loved I'm love you, Mrs Noddle, Anyway.But she was obsessive every year for Christmas with doing Australian Christmas songs. OhYes, I god love her, like I know, I understand, butlike seeks quite boomers will never might take back like Colin Mc Canlan and Ellen, whatever his name is, Rick, and they're Marie Christmas, merry AustralianChristmas album is the freaking form. I will just so much good stuff.So with that should we wrap things up like a Christmas gift, Nice fuckingribbon. So if any of you have any comments to make, please showit on facebook. What's your favorite Christmas film and watch the worst Christmas filmand if the answer is not love, actually you are wrong. I justwanted to throw that in. I was waiting. I can't believe it hascome up before now. What how much we hate love? Actually? Yeah, HMM, don't start me on Alan Rickman's character, but Liam Leeson thebest part. He reads everything he does. Okay, Um, that's great.Thank you for joining us, bend and people do take a look atfinding the line. It's been a night and to podcast. Yeah, weactually have an episode coming out about and the next week or so which wetouch on the whole pure flicks and Christian movie industry as well. So itlines up well with this. By the way, the movie I wish forChristmas by hallmark is available, says hallmark, but it's purefulis movie is available onYoutube. If you want to watch it, don't. Thank you somuch for joining us this season. Thank you for hanging in there with us. We've had a couple of small breaks, but we'll be going on a bitof a hiatus now until next year. So again, thank you for yoursupport and have a wonderful Christmas season. I think.

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