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The Christmas wish one

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Christmas is almost upon us! Join us, and Ben from Finding the Line, for our last episode of the year as we tear into the Christian seasonal movie Wish For Christmas, and talk about Christian Netflix, Starbucks' war on the holidays and what this time of year means for us. Thank you for joining us throughout 2020 and dare we say, happy holidays!  

Hi and welcome to please stop, a podcast where three friends engage cholistic critise of the Christian culture we grew up with through the Lens of Pop Culture and media. With him, honesty and top the making discussion. We are usually three, but to night we have a guest. Well, get to be a friend. Oh Yeah, okay, Y, yeah, all the way from his own podcast, finding the line. That didn't work out. That it's great at it. It's good. I'm from finding line. Yeah, MIS been. Hi. Hi, yeah, I've been. I've been. Sure this is our final episode of the season and it is the season to be jolly, vy, jolly and she get our joy. Yeahs, so if we're a little bit silly tonight, I apologize. You're welcome. This episode we decided we would adventure into the Christmas Christian films. I personally ventured onto a streaming service that rhymes was, we can just say it. I wanted, I wanted to say something. Dick, you are Dickson. I want to should feel like do what chick's feel a goods. That would be nice. It's called pure flicks and well, the streaming services and it's Christian Netflix, right, lot's Christian something. Yeah, and they really missed out. I read this on Redd. It's not mine, but I thought it was so funny. They should have called it cruciflix. That's perfect. I've been great. Oh, I would have shined up to that shut the whole thing like it's not. So you can't get pure flicks in the state in Australia. You can only get it, think, in the states. Yes, so we had to use a VPN to check it out. But there's a whole alt reality that you can live in if you wanted to, if you wanted to only consume Christian versions of all the media in the world, you could. They have swashbuckling adventure romps, they have romance, they have aliens, they have CSI type procedural dramas, they have everything you could possibly want, but it all has a Christian spin. So I don't know, is it still art if it has a message, like if that's the whole point of it rather than the point just being expression whatever? We already talked about this one all the time, but pure Flix is nuts. And Yeah, check it out if you have a VPN. Just little Lulls, strange, feel good, safe and Stanley entertainment. That aligns with Y old values. How maybe your values. They know what my values your values, if your a watch, if you've made it to this website, your values called Karen. Sorry to all the Karen's out there. Well, we've watched this film. Can you tell us the film, because two of US cheated and, you know, not done at homework. So wish for Christmas is what the film is called and it is the story of a shelf centered high school and Anna, who wishes her parents faced away when they interest she attend Christmas Eve service instead of the towns when to ball. What follows teaches her the value of faith, friendship. She'll flish love and the true meaning of Christmas. I mean just another generic Christian Christmas movie. I read a thing that it was supposed to be like a take on it's a wonderful life with them, where the guy wishes he'd never been born and then he sees his life play out without him in it and then discovers it. It's all about giving...

...in Christianity and Christmas, etcetera, etc. Except that it's wonderful life is actually a good movie and Clarence is the best angel. However, this movie was weird there's some. So what happens is this girl, Anna, wishes that her parents were not Christian so that they wouldn't have to go to church on Christmas Eve and she could go to her Christmas ball for school. I'm that she's like, I'm the committee for creating and putting together, but her parents are making you go to the thing instead, and so she wishes their faith away. And so all of a sudden they become, well, I thought, pretty cool. All of a sudden the mum's wearing eyeliner and wearing black and their law firm that they run is all of a sudden making a lot of money and they seem like super villains, but honestly, so. So the concept is that they lose their faith and suddenly they're evil, but really they just seem like cool parents. I I am actually really intrigued by this universe and I want there should be a further investigation into it. Not like you think I'm drinking right, but okay. So the thing is she feels smothered because her parents are other very whatever Christians, right, and then she wishes that their face would disappear, and it happens. What kind of power is it? Plays here. You mentioned back before the podcast on the way or short of like biblical, that the Pharaoh. Yeah, hard hardening pharaohs R. is that what's happening? Yeah, hardening the parents hearts and flock to what and where the implications he's gone to board with their divine existence that day would play with? I don't understand the end game of this and I know I'm way over analyzing this. So can I ask question? In the movie that is there, is it like an alternate reality? We should wish actually just plays out that this is actually at the end, they become Christians again. But everything that I had done and it was shocking. Yeah, like they have to live. What the consequentious of it? But there's no there was no choice to what they did because God just went boom, your daughter wants to go to the winter bawl, you're going to turn. Yeah, Non Christian. Yes, what do you think a movie like this, because it's obviously a commentary of some short it's definitely meant to be a shilly Christian film, but it's meant you a commentary and that commentary is on what they believe non Christians should be like. How do you think that translates. Non Christians have better taste than Christians now, especially when it comes to fashion. The girl has to she she has this dress that she she wants to pick out a dress for the winter ball, and her mom, when she's Non Christian, goes dress shopping with her and is like, Oh, where this slotty red dress? Except it's not. It's not a nice red dress that you're you know, seventeen year old. Were to a ball here in Perth, Australia, and it's fine. And at the end of the movie she ends up not wearing that dress but wearing like a really chaste pink elegance Cinderella ballgown tape dress and goes it was my taste after all. Was it your taste? Wasn't? I get no, she's something very interest sting that and the promotional material for this film, pure flicks, has decided to have her in that red dress, which I think is very interesting. So what I'm getting from this is that was a very simple storyline, like there wasn't a whole lot of complexity, except that they didn't resolve anything. No, no, by the end of the movie she decides not to go to the ball, even though she wanted to know. She does go to the ball. She does leave, but they she leaves because she does. Do you know in the typical high school film when they're at the prom and then...

...the main character does a big speech that nobody, not the whole general class, would ever know what they're talking about? Yeah, but like you know, likeing main girls, when Katie is that movie where she breaks apart that t yeah, yeah, so in this one, at the end she realizes herself and stands up on the podium talking and then she says, now what I'm going to do is I'm going to go to church and I would like anyone who would like to come with me to follow. And she actually leaves the ball. Yeah, and walks through the streets. No, it's follow that. She goes by herself and then she walks into the church and sits down and then and then her family and everyone follows after. It's in that Chand can you imagine being that at ball? Just on like random kid gets up like I'm done here, I'm gonna Church. She walks out and then like five minutes everyone follows. Oh yeah, we should be a church and clan. Reality. visal. Main girlfriend who has had this weird squabble dynamic throughout the whole thing. Then, apparently leaving the bold at they also stench all three months or whatever. Now we're living her months. Whatever, I don't know. Whatever, I don't care. Hell along guy. Oh the she's HMM, it's a bell ring up like costume and I didn't know that. You I don't know, but I thought it was a job. I don't I don't know how works. She puts trash in his little kettle that he's like reading the bell for and he yells at her and it grows trash at her and her dad's a hundred dollar bill in there, when he's a Christian. And then it just it's all messed up and she becomes friends with him ad buys him a pizza at the end of the movie. So it's fine, it's fine. He's like literally homeless and again, you know, thanks young white girl who saying this homeless thing by buying a pizza. It's just just like, once again another film made by Christians or Christian is completely covered this sans rapid in this movie, completely unaware of reality and not even trying to make it seem really because it's not fun, because real isn't like Christmas. In any other Christmas movie it would would have been the homeless bell ringer that was the one that granted the wishes. She that that would I actually thought that's why they were going to go with it. No, because it was God, because no one else doesn't measine. I have to show. I did like idea of his character because he was a sarcastic joke and I like that. Yeah, I like when you through trash at her. Oh God, my favorite moment was show because she's so clearish and he's standing there with his black bucket of the money and she watch past and put her can and drink that she's throwing in the bin in it and he's like Oh, princess and accuses her and she's like Oh whatever, and then hours later she returns to walk past and he picked up the can out of his bucket and throws it out. Why would he have kept that can in the bucket so the three four hours? It doesn't make sense except to throw it out her, to throw it out her, unless he was secretly the angel. That would have been the trope in all the other films that you were speaking about. That would have been cool. I would have been good with that. I also want to talk about Christmas in general and Christians obsessive needs to own the holiday. HMM. And I was going to go into a whole...

...history of Christmas and the Satin Alia Festival and and the Pagans, but that's having done. We all know that the Christians appropriated Christmas. Kirk Cameron told us about it and he's saving Christmas Saga. I love you, Kirt Cameron. It is a really interesting take that Christians have on capitalizing, not capitalizing, trying to own Christianity. Like do you remember, like in two thousand and fifteen when, because starbucks in America do a holiday, thems Cup every year for Christmas? And when? One year, I remember getting up and going on facebook and I actually thought it was a hoax because everyone seems to be going off about how rich starbucks had decided to just do a simple, minimalistic Red Cup and apparently that was taking away the religious freedom of Christians and added to the whole how we can't say happy holidays and what next? curial law? Sure you are drowning kittens, all of that. So then, Ann know you. The past isn't the church don't hold it against all night. What look, what did she find? I guess, like we've all been in church. So like how did we find Church Christmas? Definitely, from my perspective, as far as being a pastor at the time, like, I loved Christmas absolutely to the whole season. It was just like the biggest thing for me. I love the Vibe, I loved the whole spirit of it, like that idea of humanity, people all coming together. I would be that jerk who said Merry Christmas everyone in the shops. I think trying to insert the Christian story into that was like this really great time where you got to be really public about it. As far as doing my job, it felt like that was the one time where it was almost the easiest and I was allowed to do it as far as putting a public message out there for everyone to hear and doing community events are people actually wanted to come to. So it was empowering, I guess, as a church leader in that sense, because everything around Christmas you get your way a lot in the Christian world. So that was always really interesting for me. Christmas is the busy time for churches. There's events Galore. You have you know your Christmas hampers that get given out. You Have Your Carols by candle lights or your Christmas in the park or your Christmas service, your Christmas Eve Service. Yeah, Christmas parties, your yeah, your shoe boxes, Christmas in a shoe box, you're new years eve parties. Like it's all there's all of these events that are organized around that time of year. Working in a church, it actually becomes incredibly hectic because you're having to plan multiple events and you're trying to get people to volunteer at multiple events and you're on a budget. But it's also this expectation from the people within the Church that you have those events happening. So it's interesting from that perspective that it can almost become a bit of a chore, I suppose. I think some of my favorite Christmass have been when we haven't attended church on Christmas Day because somehow it felt like Christmas was hijacked because we had to spend a large portion of it at church. And now we can wake up on Christmas morning with our kids and open gift, actually let them play with their gift. Our kids never used open gifts until we got back from church. Now they actually get to experience that, you know, the wonder of Christmas morning and drinking eggnog on Christmas Eve and just some of those little things, those traditions that we can actually have as a family now, because as much as the Christian Church has hijacked Christmas, the Christian Church also hijacks, I guess, the experience of Christmas from Christians.

And the other thing is we notice more and more and more that the numbers of people actually attending church Chi on Christmas day we're dropping dramatically every year, to the point where we were having conversations locally amongst the churches here about just basically taking in turns every year, like, because there were the hardcore people who really wanted to be there and we're going to let burn villagers down if you weren't running a church service on Christmas morning. So we tried to come up with this ideas like well, rather than all of us doing a butt ton of work and writing five sermons a wait for this week period for like Christmas Eve services, and then these usually a Sunday within two or three days of it as well, like, why don't we all just sort of like divvy it up and everyone can go there. But yeah, there is this decline of people showing up on Christmas Day for those as well, which is a trend, I guess. Hay to going to church on Christmas. We did Church on Christmas? I think I can't really yeah, maybe maybe Nedia, but I don't really remember going Christmas to Church on Christmas Day. There was always family and presents, which is great. That's a cool pie about being well in, while I'm we're intoed in our nationals. So home, yeah, it's called it. Then they n article him multiple national so we didn't really have a family church. So we just went to to frons every Sunday, which meant that while I was like our family or just our family, was our family. Yeah, it was just awesome Christ this morning, which awesome solely good childhood Christmas. We always went to church on Christmas Day. Growing up, I wasn't allowed to. So we woke up on Christmas morning and there would be a package at the end of our beds and that would be new clothes to wear to church and then after church we would be allowed to open our gifts. is also not even fun clothes, like no, no, like make new church clothes that we would wear to church, whether you liked them or not. Whether you liked them or not. Well, that's something I was fun yeah, yeah, and and then after that we would come home and we'd be able to open our gifts once everybody had arrived. Hoime thing was like my oldest brother is thirteen years older than me, so when I was six he was nineteen, so he was off doing his own things. I always had to wait until they were all home before I could open any gifts. You know, I'm not bitter at all. And then would have like family lunch or whatever. YEA, but yeah, Church always hijacked the Christmas wonder for me, trying into the whole service with Christmas. I think was an unintentional part of the film to think about. Is Shush if need of servish Anna. I felt fairly also you meant to think she was selfish in the film. Felt that she had to do a lot of things because of her face. Like at the very beginning when they were going to go to Bible study, they will show her family were holding Bible study and another lady couldn't come because she'd had a child, and her mother said, Oh, that's Okay Ana. Can She babysit, and Anna was, of course, because she's a typical tunager and always on her phone and selfish and uh, I have to baby, should a child. But why is it that expectation? She having to do that all the time? And we've spoken about this before, about how we are either a two or have a wing of a two and that there have been studies to show that Christian women do tend to have a two in them from the Anya Rahm personality test. It really resonated with me that you have to do this stuff...

...all the time. and no wonder she wanted to just go to a Goddamn ball and Christmas Eve. Yeah, and what was the problem with letting your kid grow? Not only it wasn't like she wanted to go and be a f first of all, she was just like a regular church girl, but also she was on the committee planning it, like she was in charge of running the show, which means, you know, Yeay, extra copogular activities, extra curricul activities, and also she's passionate about something. That's great. Why don't you want her to come and be at Church of her own court? Way Was gonna do that. She has other passions to and you should be encouraging her to be a leader in her community and it is cool. And Yeah, and remember the line where she was like that, that I'm on the committee, I have to go, and her mother said, oh no, that's okay, you can still be on the committee. So it's still be on the committed to organize, but not that not actually go through the ball. You can bet passes life. You don't have to be a pastor. Yeah, Oh yeah, people actually asked me if I was studying my degree in theology so that I could be a pastor's wife. And you can be on the committee. Still, you just can't be part of doing anything unless it's Children's ministry or Women's ministry. I got to preach on Mother's Day once. Oh, proverb to anyone? No, I was rebellious proverbs three, five and six. Yes, I don't know if I've ever made a decision of my actual own court in my life. Ever, it's all conditioning doing it for me. Oh Nice, fund hold control of my life entirely. The things I like because I like them, or do I like them because somebody told me? I like them because of the social concepts that my own and lean not on my own understanding and he will make my paths right. Wow, I'm in fresh. Here's a fun one, whether or not we put this in, but we had a work party for Anna and his work on Saturday and so that's a couple of that met me before, but it's first time that sort of met me and really sort of hung out and we're the whole night and night. So stuff, and apparently the story that was told about us the next day I heard was she were saying that they all said that we're really cute and super innocent, which is fucking hilarious. But I was sort of thinking on that and like yeah, because we're trained to project that like our entire lives. We are regardless of what is going on inside, what we've got going on elsewhere. We know how to project that we are pure and innocent and we do it naturally. I don't even think about it. But yeah, yeah, that's a really good point. I do that too at work all the time. And you know why it works in hospitality? Because men love that, because they're like yeah, pure, innocent girl, semi attractive. WHO said me? Yeah, that's awesome, but it's like that's not true. I hate everyone that and I'm pretty dirty. I'm not just going to project that into the world, because people treat me differently when they know what I'm in. Like and and rory is like just utterly confused at how I like, how I can be so like innocent and like Bandy in one area and then, like, as soon as we can, not like that. But yeah, yeah, I know you men, and not even that, but like talking about option and just not being that image. That was very carefully created image. That is the only safe thing to project, because anything questionable leaks by the questions, leads dangerous territory thanks to questioning your salvation. And you can't be in a position authority or got the bid. You're a pastor and you're projecting any hint of...

Oh my God, he shrinks beer, but like one right, that's that's okay, right, and it's like a Medi right, like it, okay, session, so it's okay, right, yeah, okay, like, what's that's a messed up and there's not's not you. You're not being authentic and you can't be authentic. And will you be a Christian, because wife, what the numbelieve? It's easy. It's just like a look it's was such a depth, deep live of conditioning. I've been really considered before. Yeah, those seem one seems to be everyone. We like Anna. I thought she was a really good character. I mean, I'm she had a great name actually, but like at the beginning, yeah, at the beginning when I'm so there's the useless secretary at her parents business, who who shares out of the blue, like it not exposition at all. Oh No, I have accidentally showed all of that information to the rival company, Law Firm. R She said, all the case notes from a case to the rival law firm accidentally in an email. And and that I thought that's just really interesting. Anna satdown like, oh no, this is what you do, and she went full on like computer hacking. I'm sending email, used an apple software or something. And but, and then that was never ever mentioned ever again in her character. Like so she's good at computer. So something like Daddy. But of course that is outside the scope of good young Christian woman that you're meant to become. MM. But not only that, but then months later she's at a college party with this cute boy and then chatting about stuff and the boys trying to like be your hey, stars were made of starters. Cool, great, all right, astrol, any one on one on youtube and she's all like starry. I have for him. And he said something about how son is a bunch of light years. where she goes, what's the light year? So this girl, so you telling me, she knows how to Stul plug and it's going to retrieve that email with a large, you know, a large email too, because it's got a bunch of documents on it. And and she doesn't know what a light year is. So like these, that's a real character. And also, if she was just doing it to be like hi Guy, I think. Can you tell me space ex can I just saw one Heshi little comment. So when she, when I go, said that the guy has to ask the built of the bowl whatever, and then give to girl a flower, right, and she wanted a red rose. That I've got, apparently, because she ship official. Her boyfriend, what a guy she ends up with, gives her a carnation and she gets a little bit up. I don't like carnations, and then later on he tries back at it. And what's so bad about carnations? Because carnation suck man. I agree with Anna. I mean really. Yeah, and why do you always have to be grateful for freaking carnation? And if it's one flower, why up, splash up and get a freaking room. Is Dad was going bankrupt. Okay, oh, go pick a rose from aunt Nables Garden. who think you walks around with it with a camera filming, but it will not building. Classy guys basically...

...the same thing, like the kid from American beauty. What does he say? He says, Oh, I like to see these other people. Go See. Yeah, totally. The guy like building the other things in the world because it's so beautiful. What is not only this film, but what you Christians think of Non Christians? It so clearly. Apparently they think that we want our children to get pierced in dodgy shacks by a needle. We're a lot of black. We're a lot of black have to babyshit random people's children. I care about your real good. Oh yeah, and then, so what happened? Is The lady Canning to Bible Show you with a child, but by then the parents weren't Christians anymore and they've forgotten to make their daughter baby shit, and so the lady had to step in to Bible study with a child and a child not drover of ours, and it broke and previous Anna's mum would have been all, oh, it's okay, it's just a valuable it's just a material good. But Post Not Christian any more. Are and as mom was, all all that Chunky. I'll send you the bill. One of my favorite parts of movie with and I forgot about this until just now, but and it takes out a Bible and puts it on the end of the bed, kind of books whatever, when you put in like a box the end whatever of her parents bedroom while parents in the bathroom, and she just leaves it there and walks away. Parents come out of the bathroom and kind of just stare at it like it's a dead squirrel or something in the house, and the mom's like can you hear to that? And the DAD's like, I have to brush my teeth. Can you get rid of it? And she's like I have to get dressed. You get rid of it. It's like the dumbest thing. Like the Bible if, even if you're a non Christian, it's just a book, like and you wouldn't be so scared of it, like if you were not a Christian because it doesn't hold any power of you's just a book. It's kind of this hostile response to this powerful item. Yeah, this whole thing that shoot. So she wishes that her parents would lose faith and obviously were talked about how the like. This is radical change. That sort of come just to depict what someone without faith would be like. But I think we've all gone through experiences where we've lost faith. Have we experienced such radical changes in our matter? Morals varies ourselves, or is that something that is accurate or isn't accurate? Is that I think someone should be afraid of? For me, I was Alash. My moral didn't change as such as I was I lord a freely express some I was always a clottach little leftist, and we're talking about pretending before how we had a facade. That was very much me chaff and the personally know my morals didn't shift. I was just able to express them, but that's assuming. Okay. So when I was going through deconstruction over a period of years, I remembered who I was before the journey began and during the journey and after the journey. I didn't go from being Christian to non Christian overnight like they did. So the question is, did they in the movie remember who they were before and then all of a sudden switch morals just because if they go from A to B, you know one hundred and eighty? Because mine were obviously being brought up super what's the words? That's with an our religious. There's another word, repressed. They think. I'm...

...sorry, that's the same word. So then, for me, deconstructing was also pushing the boundaries of what I've been raised to believe was right. So I wouldn't say it was immoral or anything. It was just I was testing the waters and things that I'd been taught were completely wrong, like trying weed for the first time or whatever. Ever, I wouldn't call that being like losing my morals, and I've since then bout, like rebounded back to like. I guess I was raised one extreme, so I tried another extreme to counterbalance, and now I find myself in the center with a pretty balanced worldview and a carefully curated belief system, and I think I'm pretty moral. Kind of actually to see I've been working on a personal moral code. Yeah, I'm kind of a nerd. Actually, I'm kind of a squid and I follow the rules, I really do, but I feel like I'm a little more liberated than I was before. So I do say my mind now, speak my mind now, but I don't think that's a moral and I'm not as mean as I used to be, which is weird because I was like Super Christian and now I'm nicer, not. Yeah, yeah, I guess for me, like it's just a sense of freedom, like I'm am a rule follower. Have always been a rule follower, and I'm learning to color outside of the lines in different ways and I feel like that sense of freedom is actually making me more more because you choosing it instead of being, yeah, what to do, more ethical, I guess, because everything is so we thought out and yeah, I guess that's that's kind of it's the freedom to actually make the choices. Yeah, like like the being nice thing, for everyone thought I was really nice, because I'd like to figure out how to present that image right, but really, tissue can tell you I was not very nice at all, and I mean on the inside, on the like inside the safety of the car, with tissue to talk to, I'm like, Hey, we're all people, like everyone's got the journey and like we got to be kind to each other and be loving to each other, because what's the point, you know? So and yeah, and I find the average person hasn't really well, like Roy, for instance, how he's going to him for an example, because I see him a lot. But he hasn't sat down and thought out a moral code like I have, because this is just nerd back and I feel like I have to have one to replace what I believe before without thinking about it. So, yeah, I'd some more moral now because, like Kanna said, I've really thought it through and and maybe I'm not like that naturally, but that is what I aspire to be at least. Again, I relate to that lot because I think if a lot of people are to objectively look at my life in comparison to that, I would definitely be like the story of the people in the parents in the movie that the guy he was clearly lost his way. But as far as my morals and understanding and the way I like, actually genuinely like people now, whereas before it was like I had to yeah, and and as I was saying, this reconstructing really solid ethical values and boundaries around all sorts of aspects of life that are actually like. I like your idea of building them oral code, because essentially what you have to do and I feel at the more genuine for it. And it's interesting, like you guys were saying, in the movie it's almost like the movie has a regression story. She's makes a wish, comes to a place of freedom and understanding and also stuff and regresses back to this Stepford Christian sort of. So it's a really sad story in that sense of what it is, because she doesn't grow, she regresses journey into repression. Yeah, it's really it's really a set like it's a horrible narrative really, as it's reverse character development. And so you...

...would almost weren't supposed that the parents in that space would had been given freedom to experience the lives, and maybe that's just how they would have back to me. But they were always those people. Maybe they will that people in the car after church. You would have done all the horrible things that they were presented to do. But at least they are being true in themselves. Then so is actions. Is the right actions actually worth something if it's not done with the right heart? That's interesting. Do you reckon that? It wasn't about Anna at all, but it was about them being punished for then too prideful in their place, because it was all very day. Were outwardly who good, too good? Maybe it was a whole spiritalial journey for them. Yeah, maybe they're the protagonist and addeds to side character. Oh, boom, very fix the movie. Yeah, I've been more excited, but I stop carrying about it about three minutes ago. Around Christmas tree, at Christmas this will you can't see. Let's just stop rock around Christmas. All right. So what is your favorite Christmas film? Oh, that's really hard. I love Christmas movies. The holiday is probably my favorite Christmas movie. Yep, dude law cries, Jack Black Dances, La cries. Yeah, everyone cries. Is An amazing film. Awesome soundrack, Hey winslit hangs out with an old man. What's not to love about that movie? Come all music, although like, don't judge Nibs, you because you know know who they are and they're not as scary. Also, like way a handle a crisis on your own, problem solving, bravery, having me a grown up and you don't know how you grown up. Lots of stuff. Plus, you know your family loves you, even if they need to be released your mom days. I think his family a jerks, just saying they are, but his mom isn't. But he's down road evil as well. I mean he could have called the cops at any point, but he's rational choice was I am going to torture these people because I can. Yeah, well, I got Portu of Heshi and the other guys thereby and had a lot of medical assistance by that me. So yeah, but also he's a kid and I'm just other than the soundtrack is balm it's so good. Yeah, then, what's your favorite house? Is Hot. So we had a family tradition which we have kept largely with our kids as well. So growing up we would always watch muppets Christmas Carol every single Christmas Eve, and I do it. Dw that movie. It is beautiful, beautiful man and I did a remake, or they did a new muppets, because I've never actually watched I've heard his trash. That doesn't exist as far as I'm concerned. So that was great. But the one I'm we actually watched this again the other nights on Netflix called Klaus, and that is a beautiful film. I absolutely adore that movie. So yeah, I think at the moment that would be my top Christmas film. If you say Oh home on. Was gonna say that, but I was actually going to know. I was actually going to do...

...a disclaimer and go cool tissue wants to say that die hard is our favorite Christmas film, but I love Edwards as a hands I love it so much and I still think it counts as a Christmas film. Christmas I was well, we were going to watch a Halloween film, me and Noel, and we ended up watching beetle juice and someone was like, Oh, let's do it was a hands and I was very adamant. That is your Christmas film and we all weren't watching on Christmas. Okay, so then we started a new I don't know then. Know why I'm Shaying. We started and you we've been doing I should have passed few episodes. So it's a segment in our podcast where we say what we wish. Would please not stop things that have been good during the week, things that we've Wad and I know this is sort of probably encounter intuitive to everything was sort of set, but the thing that jumped to mind then was, just like Christmas, Carol Events and all that some of stuff, and I know they're run by churches and they usually have like a whole flare to them and all that so stuff. And sure I could do without that, but I think if they weren't doing those a lot, the communities wouldn't have that time in that space to actually sit somewhere and actually just bond together as a community and all that sort of stuff. So to all the Christian churches out they're doing well, trying their best to do a good job at just good community carols. Please don't stop. Please don't stop playing Christmas carols in the shopping centers. I know a percent of people hate it, but I actually love it. So me too. Yeah, maybe it's because we have good a church anymore. Please don't stop M Christmas episodes of TV shows. HMM, actually, yeah, because they're all always end well, no matter how dark the TV shows. So yeah, something and I wish wouldn't stop. That already has an album. Warn it forever. Two killers used to release a Christmas song every year and I was a best youtube. Don't shoot me, Santa. It's the best. I love it so much, but it stopped and I'm sad yeah, just bands in general doing Christmas albums. It's so good. said it before. I will show you again handsome's Christmas album Snow Dinger is the best Christmas albums for the Pi benegged ladies. Christmas. Parashader, if you're out there, she would love you. Ah. Yeah, what's your favorite Christmas Carol? We shrieking. That's yeah, O, come, O, coming Manuel. Well, this is a hard one. Yeah, I don't know. I haven't deconstructed Christmas in all be okay to know. Yeah, yeah, I just haven't made made that backwards. Rocking around the Christmas tree was always rocking. Yep, I was always like that one. I'll be safe and go with that. That's home alone. Was the first time I've ever heard that with the yeah, rock, no room. Yeah, I like, Oh holy night. Yeah, I know, it's still because beautiful on your knees. One. Yeah, me too. That's we was going to say that one, but I was like, I just don't know, I haven't really thought about it. Yeah, I know, I get that, like deconstructing belief or what you believe, but even still, there's that one line in it. Till he appeared and the soul felt it's worth that like gives me chills even even now, like weather, like having deconstructed and reconstructed, just not knowing why, but it's just gives me chills. Yeah, this that's beautiful because, like I always had this tension that there's a lot about my...

Christian faith that I really loved and I think is actually still really healthy. There's a lot that was obviously damaging, but I think this stuff like that in this little values and specially in some of those Christmas songs, just great little lyrics that actually have really great models to them. They capture something. Yeah, there's there's something in that. So I did singing lessons for a lot of years and I had a singed teacher and she was great, like the most fictional outdoor eccentric character you would have meant. I loved I'm love you, Mrs Noddle, Anyway. But she was obsessive every year for Christmas with doing Australian Christmas songs. Oh Yes, I god love her, like I know, I understand, but like seeks quite boomers will never might take back like Colin Mc Canlan and Ellen, whatever his name is, Rick, and they're Marie Christmas, merry Australian Christmas album is the freaking form. I will just so much good stuff. So with that should we wrap things up like a Christmas gift, Nice fucking ribbon. So if any of you have any comments to make, please show it on facebook. What's your favorite Christmas film and watch the worst Christmas film and if the answer is not love, actually you are wrong. I just wanted to throw that in. I was waiting. I can't believe it has come up before now. What how much we hate love? Actually? Yeah, HMM, don't start me on Alan Rickman's character, but Liam Leeson the best part. He reads everything he does. Okay, Um, that's great. Thank you for joining us, bend and people do take a look at finding the line. It's been a night and to podcast. Yeah, we actually have an episode coming out about and the next week or so which we touch on the whole pure flicks and Christian movie industry as well. So it lines up well with this. By the way, the movie I wish for Christmas by hallmark is available, says hallmark, but it's purefulis movie is available on Youtube. If you want to watch it, don't. Thank you so much for joining us this season. Thank you for hanging in there with us. We've had a couple of small breaks, but we'll be going on a bit of a hiatus now until next year. So again, thank you for your support and have a wonderful Christmas season. I think.

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