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The Christmas wish one

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Christmas is almost upon us! Join us, and Ben from Finding the Line, for our last episode of the year as we tear into the Christian seasonal movie Wish For Christmas, and talk about Christian Netflix, Starbucks' war on the holidays and what this time of year means for us. Thank you for joining us throughout 2020 and dare we say, happy holidays!  

And welcome to place them a podcast WerFngager fate of the Christian Ojut were brouht. I to the range of hocultrnhonesty, anotomaking discussion. We are usualitry, but you knowe has as get Beatrenyeah. Okay, yeah all the wayfrom his Orene podcast. Finding a line that didn't work out that it's great had it's good, O Iam fromfunny Lin yeah is Ben Hi, Hi yeah, I bensursin how final episode of theSenon and it is the season to be Jolly Ivy Jolly and she get out Jo. Yes. So if we're a little bit shilly tonight,I Apologize You'R welcome this episode. We decided we would dventure into the Christmas Christian films. I personallyventured on to a streaming service. That rhymes was. We can just say it. I wanted, I wanted to say something:gix Yo addixs, your ddix fee Lik, I that'd be nice, it's called pure flixs and well the streaming services andit's Christian Netflix right, it's Christian, something yeah and they really missed out. I read thison read: It's not mine, but I thought it was so funny they should have calledit. Cruciflix be great. Ohi would have signed up forthat Sut. The whole thing like it's not so you can't get purflix in the statein Australia. You can only get it think in the state. Yes, so we had to use aVPN to check it out, but there's a whole ult reality that you can live in.If you wanted to. If you wanted to only consume Christian versions of all themedia in the world, you could they have sashbuckling adventure umps they haveromance, they have aliens, they have ci type procedural dramas, they haveeverything you could possibly want, but it all has a Christian spin. So I don't know, is it's still ot if ithas a message like if that's the whole point of it, rather than the point justbeing express and whatever we already talkd about this one other time, butpurflix is nuts and yeah check it out. If you have a BPN, just e lols streamsfeel good sase and family entertainment that alies with your values. Maybe yourvalues. They know what my value e Theyl us, ifyou're want, if you amade it to this website, your values, Ta Calld, Karen Sorry, allthe Carren out there well we'e watched this film. Can you tell us the filmbecause two of US cheated and O Kno, not Don Kno whomwork so wish for Christmas is what the filmis called and it is the story of a Shelfsenten, high school and and Anawho wishes her parents bust away when they insist she attends Christmas Eveservice instead of the towns Wen to ball. What follows teaches her: thevalue of faith, friendship, shutless, love and the true meaning of Christmas.I mean just another generic Christian Christmas movie. I read a thing that said it wassupposed to be like a take on it's a wonderful life with whethe guy wishes, he'd never beenborn, and then he sees his life playout without him in it, and then justicovers it it's all about giving and...

Christianity and Christmas, etc. ETCA,except that it's wonderful life is actually a good movie and Clarence isthe best angel. However, this movie was weird theres some. So what happens? Isthis girl and I wishes that her parents were not Christian so that theywouldn't have to go to church on Christmas Eve and she could go to herChristmas ball for school and that she's, like I'm, the committee forcreating and putting together that her parents are making hir go to the singinstead, and so she wishes their faith away and so all of a sudden they becomewell. I thought pretty cool all of a sudden, the mum's wearing eyeliner andwearing black and theyr lawem. That they run is all of a sudden making alot of money and they seem like supervillains but honesly, so so t e.The concept is that they lose their faith and suddenly theyre evil, butreally they just seem like cool parents. I, I am actually really intrigued, bytthis universe and I want there should be further investigation into it. No Lo,you think I'm draking right, but okay, so the thing is she feels smutered,because her parents are O te, very whatever Christians right and then shewishes that the fos would disappear on and it happens. What kind of power isit play here? Bu? You mentioned that before the podcast on the way it wassort of like tyflical about the Pharaoh Yeah in fair as much is that what'shappening, Er yeah, Beot, hardening the parents, hearts Andso Ki. What, then,what are the implication? He's Gotship Bort for the divine existence that theywould play with. I don't understand the ingame of thisand I know I'm way over analyzing this. So can I ask question in the movietlike? Is there a? Is it like an alternate reality? weactally just playsout thatathe ND. They become Christians again, but everything that had done-and it was shocking- yeah like they have to live, what theconsequences of it. But there is no. There was no choice to what they didbecause God just went boom. Your daughter wants you go to the winterball, you're going to turn yeah non Qhuistian. Yes, what do youthink? I'm Movi like this because it's obviously a commentary of some sort ofit's definitely meant to be a silly Christian film, but it's meant to be acommentary and that commentary is on what they believe non Christians shouldbe like. How do you think that translate non Christians have better tastes thanChristians? No especially icomes to fashion the girl has to s. She has a stressthat she she wants to pick out: A dress for thewinter ball and her mom when she's Non Christian, goes, dress, shopping withher and is like Oh weare, this slutty red dress, except it's not it's, not anHoese red dress that you're. You know seventeen year old AR weirds wo a ballhere in purth, Australia and it's fine and at the end of the movie she ends upnot wearing that dress, but wearing like a really chaste pink eleganceCinderella, ballgown, tap, Dresse and Goese. It was my taste. After all, wasit your Tase Wa Knoito, something very interesting thatin the promotional material, forthes film, pure flixers, decided to have herin that Breddress, which I think is very interesting. So what I'm gettingfrom this is that was a very simple storyline like therewasn't a whole lot of complexity, except that they didn't resolve anything. No. No bythe end of the movie. She decides not to go to the ball, even though shewanted to know she does go to the Bal she does, but then she las, because shedoes. You know in the typical high school film when they're at the promand then...

...the main character does a big speechthat nobody, not the whole general class, would even know what they'retalking about yeah but, like you know, lif in man, girls, when Katie isn'tthat movie lher. She breaks apart at Yo Yeahyeah. So in this one at the end,she realizes herself and stands up on the podium talking and then she saysnow what I'm going to do os I'm going to go to church, and I would likeanyone who would like to come with me to follow and she actually leaves theball an walks through the street no follow at firt. She goes by herself andthen she walks into the church and shits down and then and then her familyand everyone follows afterwards and that's it. Can you imagine being thatat balls just on like rendor kid gets up like I'm done here, I'm gond a judge.She walks out and then, like five minutes, everyone follow. Oh yeah, weshould be a church inclan reality Risal, nangill friendswho have had this weird squabel dynamics, foraut the whole thing thenapparently leaving the voll that they also spent all three months or whatever. Now I wouldn have been her mants.Whatever I don't know whatever I dont care, Helter Lon, oh there's is nut like o the SA costume and I didn'tknow, but I don't know, but I thought it was ajob I don't I don't know how it works. She puts trash in his little kettlethat he's like reading the Bel for and he elms at her and then grows trash ather and her dad hits a hundred dollr billin.Then, when he's a Christian and then it just it's almost sup and she becomesfriends with him and BIS. An repets at the end of the movies, so it's fine finhe's like literally homeless and again, you know, EFEX young white girl for saying thishomeless name by buying the pizza. It's just just like. Once again,another film made back Qhestians for Christians, completely com, tedistnance rampid in this movie completely unawareof reality, and not even trying to make it save reantic, because it's not funbecause crealism Sihe busnes in any other Christmas movie it Ould, wouldhave been the homeless bell. Ringer. That was the one that granted the wish.Yea See that that would I actually thought that's wher. They were GOINGTO,go wis it! No because it was God because Ol us does'tmagine. I have toshow I did like idea of his character because he was asarcastic joke and I, like that, yeah I like Weny through trash at he oo. My myfavorite moment was sow because she's so cleorish and he's sanding her withhis black bucket of woot, the monny and Hin. She walks past and put her Canandrink, that she's, throwing Intho bin in it and he's like Oh wel, princessand accuss. Her and she's, like Oh whatever and then hours later shereturns to what passed and he picked up the can out of his bucket and throws itat her. Why would he have kept that car in thebucket for the three four hours? It doesn't make sense, except to throw itout her se, just rit at her unless he was secretly the angel that would havebeen the troph in all the other films that you were speaking about. Thatwould have been cool. I would have been good with that. I also want to talk about Christmas ingeneral and Christians, obsessive Ne to own the holiday,...

...and I was going to go into the wholehistory of Chrishmasan, Shatnilia festival and and the Pagan Tin, but that oletingdone. We all know that the Christians approcrated Christmas, Kirt Cameron,told us about it in his saving Christmas Shaga. I love you cirt Cameron. It is a really interesting tape thatChristians have on capitalizing, not capitalizing China. Own Christianity,like do you remember, like in two thousand and fifteen, then causestarbucks in America. Do E hold on Son Cup every year for Christmas and n oneyear I remember getting up and going on facebook and I actually thought it wasa hoax because everyone Shang Tobe, going off about how starbucks haddecided to just do a simple miganalistic Red Cup and apparentlythat was taking away the religious freedom of Christians and added to thewhole, how we can't say, happy holidays and what next peryalaw shrio drowningkittens allof that so do ano you apast, isn't the churchdon't hold it against iike? What what do? What did Yo sign? I guess likewe've all been in Shurch so like how did we find Church Christmas?Definitely from my perspective, as far as being a pastor at the time, like I loved Christmas, absolutely ac othe whole season. It was just like the biggest thing for me. I love the VIBE.I loved the whole spirit of it like that idea of humanity, people erecoming together. I would be that jerk who said Mero Christmas to everyone inthe shops think trying to insert the Christianstory into. That was like this really great time where you got to be reallypublic about it. As far as doing my job it felt like that was the one timewhere it was almoch the easiest and I was't allowed to do it as far asputting a public message out there for everyone to hear and doing communityevents that people actually wanted to come to. So it was empowering, I guess, as Church leaderin that sense, because everything around Christmas, you get your way alotin the Christian world, so that was always really interesting. For me,Christmas is the busy time for churches. There's events Galow, you have you knowyour Christmas hampers that get given out. You have your cows by candle atsor your Christmas in the park or your Christmas service. Your Christmas EveService, yeah Christmas parties, your yeah, your shoe boxes Christmas in ashoebox, your new years, eve parties, like it's all, there's all of theseevents that are organized around that time of year working in a chirt. Itactually becomes incredibly hectic because you're having to plan multipleevents and you're trying to get people to volunteer at multiple events andyou're on a budget, but it's also this expectation from the people within theChurch that you have those events happening. So it's interesting fromthat perspective that it can almost become a bit of a chore. I suppose I thinksome of my favorite Christmases have been when we haven't attended church onChristmas Day, because somehow it felt like Christmas was hijacked because wehad to spend a large portion of it at church, and now we can wake up onChristmas morning with our kids, an open gift, actually let them play withtheir gift. Our kids never used to open gifts until we got back from church nowthey actually get to experience that you know the wonder of Christmasmorning and drinking egnog on Christmas Eve and just some of those little things, thosetraditions that we can actually have as a family. Now, because as much as the Christian Church has hijackedChristmas, the Christian Church also...

...hijacks. I guess the experience ofChristmas from Christians and the other thing is we notice more and more andmore that the numbers of people actuallyattending church on Christmas Day were dropping dramatically every year to thepoint where we were having conversations locally amongst thechurches here about just bacially taking in terns every year like becausethere were the hard core people who really wanted to be there when we'regoing to wait, burn villages down if you weren't running a church service onChristmas morning, so we tried to come out with this idea. O was like wellrather than all of us doing a but ton of work and writing five sermons, aweey for this week period for, like Christmas, Eve, servirces and thenhere's ually a Sunday within two or three days of it as well. Why don't weall just sort of Diby it up and everyone can go there, but yeah there is this decline of people showing up onChristmas Day for those as well, which is a trend. I guess he goin Te Church and Chrismas. We did' Chrsi can't really yeah, maybe maybe Navia, but I don'treally remember God. Christas to Chuch on Christmas Day was always family andpresents, which is great. That's a cool time about being wol, invienentedanotertoal. So on yeah o they called it. Ten IGNOTI CAL it multipletaneal. So we' really have a family church. So we just went to dopronems every Sumday,which meant that while I was like or family or just our family was Apenyeah,it was just Asi Tis as Mois Lawsom. So An e good childhood business. We alwayswent to church on Christmas Day growing up. I wasn't allowed to so. We woke upon Christmas morning and there would be a package at the end of our beds andthat would be new clothes to wear to church and then after church we wouldbe allowed to open our gifts. Sorry, not even fun clothes like PJ. No no,like, like New Church cluths, that we would wear to church, whether you likethem or not, whether you liked them or not, Om as Fuyeah, yeah and and then afterthat we would come home and we'd be able to open our gifts once everybodyhad arrived home thing was like my eldest brother is thirteen years olderthan me. So when I was six, he was nineteen, so he was off doing his ownthing, so I always had to wait until they were all home before I could openea gift. You know I'm not better at all and then would have like family lunchor whatever, but yeah church always hijacked the Christmas wonder for me tying into the whole service withChristmas, I think, was an unintentional part ofthe film to think about is the obsessive need of service, and Ifelt fairly, although you meant to think she was selfish in the film. Ifelt that she had to do a lot of things because of her face like at the verybeginning, when theywere going to go, the Bible, study, ther, wil, sorry, herfamily were holding Bible, studyin and another lady couldn't come because shehad a child and her mother said: Oh that's, okay, Anna can just babysit andAnna was, of course, because she's, a typical teenager and always on herphone and shelfish and Oh, I have to Dabyshit a child, but why is thet thatexpectation to having to do that? All the time and we've spoken about thisbefore about how wear either ag o or have a wing of a two and that there avebeen studies to show that Christian women do tend to have a tru in themfrom new anogram personality terse? It...

...really resonated with me that you haveto do the stuff all the time and no wondershe wanted to just go to a Goddem ball on Christmas, a yeah and what was theproblem with letting your kid go? Not only it wasn't like she wanted to go anbe a lot visiall. She was just like a regular chuch girl, but also she was onthe committee planning it like. She was in charge of running the show, whichmeans you know: Ya: Extra Co, regular activities, extra curriculactities andalso she's passionate about something. That's great. Why don't you want her tocome and be at Chuarch of her own Qoe, Wi Watse goingto. Do that Wen eally?She has other passions too, and you should be encouraging her to be Alidain he community and it Chool and yeah, and remember the line where she waslike that that I'm on the committee I have to go and her mother said on nothat so car you can still be on the committee. So it's still the onlycommitto do organize, but not, but not actually go through the ball. You canbe at pastes life. You don't have to be a caster. I otheTI. Oh Yeah people actually asked me if I was studying my degree in theology sothat I could be a pastor's wife and we you can be on the committee. Still, wejust can't be part of doing anything unless it's Children's ministry orwomen's ministry Bu Ive got to preach on Mother's Day once Osm Proverb Soyanno, I was rebellious, oh proverbs, three five and six yeah. I don't know if I've ever made adecision on my actual own quar er, my life ever if it's all conditioningdoing it for Anywayoh t's, Gnice, fun, dog, Oe, Tro, my life entirely, like the thingsI like, because I like them or do I like them, because somebody told me Ilike them because of the social concepts that and lean not on my own understanding, and he will make my path straight. Wow,I'm infress e's a fun one, whether or not we put this in, but we had a workparty for Anna and his work n Saturday, and so that's es. A couple of themv met mebefore, but t s first time that sort of met me and really sort of hang out andWehad the whole night and is or stuff and apparently the story that was toldabout us. The next day I heard was you were saying that they all said thatwere really cute and super innocent, which is fucking Hilarious, but I was sort of thinking on them likeyeah, because we're trying to project that, like our entire lives, we areregardless of what is going on inside what we've got going on elsewhere. Weknow how to project that we are pure and innocent, and we do it. Naturally,I don't think about it, but yeah. That's a really good point. I do thattoo at work all the time and you know whyit works. I hospitality because men Ho love that, because they're like yeah, apopl inocent girl, semiattractive who sedy me yeah, that's awesome, but it'slike that's not true. I hate everyone and I'm pretty Daiy, I'm not just goingto project that into the world, because people treat me differently when theyknow what I really like and and rory is like just utterly confused at how I'mlike how I can be so like innocent and likeAndy in one area and then like as soon as we care not like that yeah yea. I know what you mean and o even that,but like talking about Ashit and just not being that image that wire carevery carefully created image. That is the only safe thing to project,because anything questionable we to fother questions leads to dangerousterritorietens to question your salvation and you can't be in aposition afthority or go forbid your a...

...pastor and you're projecting any hintof Oh, my God, Hetrickspear, but like one right like that's, that's, okay,right and it's like I mean you Rit, like I like a Sessioni. So it's okay,right, yeah, okay, like Wat's, that's so messed up and Thi Os, not you're,not being authentic, and you can't be adventic and will yeu be a Christian, because why?What Te, numer lieve se it's just like a Looi, was such a deapdate, Limin condition I ben eer consider before yeah Erywher, really wacan. I thought shewas a really good character. I mean ishe had a great name that true butlike at the beginning, yeah at the beginning, when I'm so there's the useless secretary at herparents, business who, who shows out Ofr the blue like it', not expositionat all. Oh No. I have accidentally Shaing all of that information treatyrival company. She sent all the case notes from a caseto the rival ofem accidentally in an email. I thought this s really interesting andof sat down like oh no. This is what you do and she warks a long likecomputer hacking, I'n settny email used an aipor software or somethingand. Thatwas never ever mentioned ever again in her character, like so she's goingta computer, soimsomthing Lik Dai. But of course that is outside the scope of good youngChristian Woman that you'R mentto beconbut. Not only that, but thenmonths later, she's at a college fore with his keet boy and then chattingabout stuff and te boys trying to like be all hey: starms, Wel, Madeof, stataschool, great, all, right, astrona, Oni, one on Youtube and she's all likeStoryi hapin him, and he says something about how son is a bunch of LAES whay.She goes what's the light year. Andso this go. So you telling me she youknows had in Sol pluging, that's going to retriete tat email with a lodge. Youknow a large email to because it's got a bunch of documents on it and and she doesn't know what a light yearis Soi'm like noall, these skatthat's no real character and also she was justdoing it to be like hi guy. I think you cute. Can you tell me spaceits C Jus, so one cashe little comment sowhen she, when I said that the guy has to ask the girls to the ball orwhatever and then give the girl a flower right and she wanted a red rose.That hive got apparently because she's SUP official, her boyfriend Wal the guy.She ends up with give her a carnation and she gets a little bit likecarnotions and then later on. He throws back in it and, what's so bad aboutcarnations because carnation suck, then I agree with Anna, I mean really yeah and why you always have to be gratefulfor freaking carnation and if it's one Flowa, why not splash out and get afrecking Rod? His Dad was going backr Okayo go pick a rose from aunt, mablsgarden, who same kare walks around with it with camera, filming, but well, notBroalin, classic guy. So, basically the...

...same thing like the kid from AmericanVudy. What does he say? He says? Oh, I like to see things. Other peopledon't see yeah totally the Guy Fomor like building the other things in theworld, because it's so beautiful what Dou? Not only this film. But whatdo you, Christians, think of Nonchristians that so clearly,apparently, I think that we want our children to get pierced indodgy shacks by a nil were alotf black werealot of black have to Babyshit ranom people'schildren. I care about Wasyouralgod Yep and then so what happened is thelady Caunte, Bawe shellyin with achild, but by the end e parents, weren't Christians, anymoreand I'd forgotten, Tamak, their daughter, babyshit and show the ladyhad to step in to Bible study with a child and a child knock drover, a vaseand it broke, and previous Anna's mom would have been all. Oh, it's. Okay,it's just a valuable. It's just a material good, but post, not Christiananymore, and his mom was all I that' Sokay I'll, send you the bill. One of my favorite parts of the moviewas- and I forgot about this until just now- but Anna takes out of Bible andputs it on the end of the bed kind of woats, whatever. What a you puking likea box Bein, then whatever of her parents bedroom while harets in thebathroom and she just leaves it there and walks away carots, come out of thebathroom and kind of just stare at it like it's a dead squirrel or somethingin the house and and Te owas like Canyou, get rid of Thatan s like I haveto brush my teeth. Can you get rid of it? A she's like I have to get dressed,you get rud, it's like the dumbest thing like thebible, if even if you'renon Christian, this is a book lige and you wouldn't be so scared of it like ifyou were not a Christian, because does't wolv an you hore over ISS a book, it's Gonno like his hostile response tothis powerful item. Yeah. This whole thing that shit. So shewishes that her parents would lose faith and obviously were talked aboutHowtelat thers. This radical change, that's short of, come just to depictwhat someong without faith would be like, but I think we've all gonethrough experiences where we've lost faith. Have we experienced such redicalchanges in our meral morals and varies ourselves or is that something that isaccurate or isn't accurate? Is that I think we so much to be afraid of fo me?I was Allase, my morals didn't change as such as Iwas able to freely express them. I was always a closet little leftist and we're talking about pretendingbefore how we had a Fachad. That was very much me so, for me personally know my moralsdidn't shift. I was just able to express them, but let's assume me okay. So when I wasgoing through dconstruction over period of years, I remembered who I was beforethe Jeny began, enduring the journy and after the Jenya didn't go from beingChristian to Nonchristian overnight, like they did so, the question is: Didthey in the movie remember who they were before and then all of a suddenswitch morals just because if they go from a to be, you know, Onde and eighty,because mine were obviously being brought up super? What's the word Saswit Tan ar religious,a another word repress...

...same thing, I'm sorry, it's the sameword. So then, for me, deconstructing wasalso pushing the boundaries of what I've been raised to believe was right.So I wouldn't say it was immoral or anything it was just. I was testing thewaters and things that I'd been taught were completely wrong, like trying weedfor the first time or whatever. I wouldn't call that being like losing my morals and I've. Sincethen bout like rebounded back to like I guess I was raised one extreme, so Itried another extreme to counterbalance, and now I fy myself in the center utWheth a pretty balanced wellview and a carefully curated belief system, and Ithink I'm pretty moral. I kind of actually ti see. I've been working on apersonal moral code, yeah I'm kind of a Nerd, actually I'm kind of a squid, andI follow the rules. I really do, but I feel like Iam a little more liberatedthan I was before. So I do say my mind now speaking Wot, my numbut, I don'tthink that's amoral and I'm not as mean as I used to be, which is weird becauseI was like Super Christian and now I'm nicer. Not I toyeah yeah, I guess for me like it's just a sense of freedom like I'm am a all. Follower have always been arual follower and I'm learning to color outside of the lines in different ways, and I feel like that sense of freedomis actually making me more morrbecause you're, choosing itinstead of being wel what to do more ethical. I guess because everything isso thought out and yeah. I guess that's that's kind ofit's the freedom to actually make the choices. Yeah like like the being nice thing beforeeveryone thought I was really nice, because I like figured out how topresent that Imag Drig, but really Tish can tell you. I was not very nice atall. I mean on the inside on the like, inside the safety of the car, withTissh, to talk to I'm like hey we're all people likeeveryone's got their journey and like we got to be kind to each other and beloving to each other, because what's the point you know so and yeah and Ifind the average person hasn't really well like boy, for instance, how isGoin to him for an example, because I see him a lot, but he hasn't sat downand thought out a more code like I have, because this is just Nedbeck and I feellike I have to have one to replace what I believe before without thinking aboutit so yeah. So I'm more moral now because, like Ani said, I've reallythought it through and and maybe I'm not like that, naturally.But that is what I spired to be at least again. I relate to that look because Ithink, if a lot of people ar o objectively look at my life incomparison to that, I would definitely be like the story of the people in thePAC, the parents in the movie that the guy was comediately lost his way, butas far as my morals and understanding and the way I like actually genuinelylike people now, whereas before it was like I had to and as an I was saying, thus reconstructing,really solid ethical values and boundaries around all sorts of aspectsof life that are actually like. I, like you idea of Boding Amorocode, becauseessentially what you have to do and I feel the more genuine for it and it'sinteresting, like you guys, ware saying in the movie, it's almost like themovie has a regression story. She's makes a wish comes to a place offreedom and understanding and Al so stuff and regresses back to thisstepfid Christian. So of so, it's a really sad story in that sense of whatit is because she doesn't gow she pregresses a journy into repression.Yeah, it's really. It's really a set...

...like it's a horrible narrative Ol asit's our first character development, and so you would almast suppose at that.The parents in that space had been given freedom to experience the lives,and maybe that's just how they would have ected me, but they were alwaysthose people. Maybe they were ther people in the car after church. Youwould have done all the horrible things that they were presented to do, but tleast they are Bein. True in themselves then so is actions? Is the right actionsactually worth something? If it's not done with the right heart, that's iteresting an that it wasn't about Anna at all, but it wasabout them being punished for then Tro pradful in the place, because it was all Veryto, wereoutwardly Tho good too good. Maybe it was a whole spiritshal journey for them.Yeah, maybe they're the protagonist and Addis the side, character. Ohi Noi fixte. Yeah I'e be more excited, but I stopp caringabout it about walking around e Christmas tree andCISCAS fo upthis to on way you can see top fuckinitrelso. What is your favorite Christmas film? Oh, that's really hard. I loveChristmas movies. The holiday is probably my favorite Christmas movie,Yeahyep Dude Lor Christ, Jack Black Dances, cris everyone, Crossi, amazing,mawesome, Soun, hat winflit, hangs out with an old man. What's not to love about that movieOmon Al Music, although, like don't judgeyour naies because you don't know whothey, aren E OT, a scary, also like what I handl a crisis on yourown problem. Solving bravery having to be agron up a Yo, don't know:Have you grown up lots of stuff plus, you know you family love you even ifthey lave e, really stroonas. I think his family at jerks just saying yeah,but his MON Buthe's downrigd evil as well. I mean he could have called thecops sat ady point, but his rational choice was I'm going to torture. Thesepeople cause. I can yeah Welli Good Portpehi and the other Guyremberalot ofMedical Assistanc Stadyom that week so yeah, but also he's a kid, and I onknow just alone: Soundtrack is bom, it's so good! Then, what's your favorite hous is hadso we had a family tradition which we have kept largely with our kids as well,so growing up. We would always watch mappets Christmas Carol, every singleChristmas Eve, and I do it tol that movie it is Beautiful Pautifulfulmer and I did aremake wer. They did a new mepids cause. I've never actually watched that I'veheard it's trash that doesn't exist as far as I'm concerned, so that was great,but the one I'm we actually watchd this again, the other night. It's Wondeyforthixk good Klaus, and that is a beautiful film. Iabsolutely adore that movie so yeah. I think at the moment that would be mytop Christmas fill. Did he say dio s gonna show that, but I was actuallygon at. I was actually GOINGTO. Do a...

...just climber and go call. Kish wants tosay that Di hard is o favorite Christmas film, but I love evbunches a hand. I love itso much and I still think it counts. As aChristiam till Christmasi was well, we were gonna Watch, youHalloween film, a' Meno El, and we ended up watching badl juice andsomeone was like. Oh let's, Tak I tiis hands and I was very adamant that is aChristmas show, an we ar watching on Christmas. Okay, so then we've started a new. I Dont E know whyI'm Shawing wit stade and you we've been doing. I should have passd fewepisodes, so it's a segment in our podcast, where we shoy. What we wish would please notstop things that have been good during the week, things that we've witched-and I know this is sort of probably encounterintuitive to everything we'vesort of sed. But the thing that jumped to mind then wasjust like Christmas Carol, events and all that sort of stuff, and I know thatthey're run by churches and they usually have like a whole flare to themand all that sort of stuff and sure I could do without that. But I think ifthey weren't doing those a lot of communities wouldn't have that time inthat space to actually sit somewhere and actually just bund together as acommunity and all that o stuff, so to all the Christian churches out theredoing we're trying their best to do a good Jobat, just good community carols.Please don't stop, please don't stop playing Christmascarols in the shopping centers. I know eighty percent of people hate it, but Iactually love it me too yeah. Maybe it's because you have got achurch anymore. Please don't stop Christmas. Episodes of TV shows yeah because they're always always endwell. The matout had dock. The TV shows sa something that I wish wouldn't stop.TBAT already has, and I will morn it for Everybodif the killers used to release a Christmas song every year andI was a best youtube. Don't shoot me sat ar it's the best. I love it so much,but it stopped and I'm sad yeah just bands in general during Christmasalbums, it's so good shet it before. I will sayit again. Hanson to Christmas. Album Snowdin is the best Christmas. Album be neged, ladies Christastersater, ifyou're out there, she would love you yeah. What's your favorite Christmas, Carrol Wei trekings, that's yeah okaymo,coming Manuel! Oh, this is a hard one. Yeah I don't know. I haven't deconstructedChristmas in Aall, Ekaan, no yeahyeah! I just haven't made made thatbackwards rocking around the Christmas tree was always rocking Yep. I was slike that. One I'll be safe and go with that. Thats home alone was the firsttime. I ever heard that with this yeah rock no ron yeah, I like o Holy Knigtyeah know it's so yeah me too. That's wewas, going ta saythat one, but I was like I just don't know. I haven't really thought about it.Yeah. I know I get that like deconstructing belief or what do youbelieve, but even still there's that one line in it till he appeared and thesoul felt its worth. That, like gives me chills, even even now, like wheher like havingdeconstructed and reconstructed just not knowing why, but it just gives mechils yeah. I think this tufs beautifulbecause, like I always have this...

...tension, that there's a lot about myChristian faith that I really loved and I think he's actually still reallyhealthy, there's a lot that was obviously damaging, but I think thiresstuff like that and this little values, and especially in some of thoseChristmas songs, just great little lyrics that actually have really greatmorels to them, Catchur, something yeah, so ths there's something a he. So I didchinging lessons for a lot of years and I had a senior teacher and she wasright, like the most fictional outdoor excentric character, you R Living IIlove. I love you misis nodel anyway, but she was obsessive. Every year, OChristmas was doing Australian Christmas songs. Yes, I God love her,like I know I understand, but like she wit domers will neverws o take backlike colling, a Canin and Ellen whatever his name is Rick and thereMary Christmas marry Australian Christmas. Album is the freaking Col mamuch good Stuso with that? Should we wrap things up like a Christmas gift,guys bbon? So if any of you have anycomments to me, play showd on Facebook, what' your favorite Christmas film andwhat'h the worst Christmas film, and if the answer is not love, actually youare wrong. I just wantto just throw that in I was waiting. I can't believeit has come up before now ID WAT, how much we hate love? Actually yeah. Don'tstart me on ALN reange character, IAM Neson, t'the, best pot. He redeems everythinghe does oyeah. That's great! Thank you for joining us.Ben And people do take a look at finding the line. It's been a notandpodcast yeah. We actually have an episode coming out about n the nextweek or so, which we touch on the whole Pureflix and Christian m movie industryas well. So it lines up well with his by the way the movie o wish forChristmas by hallmark is Availa. Wele, says Holemart, but it's pufix movie isavailable on Youtute. If you want to watch it O, don't thank you so much for joining us thisseason. Thank you for hanging. In there with us, we've had a couple of smallbreaks, but we'll be going on a bit of a hiatus now until next year. So again,thank you for your support and have a wonderful Christmas season. Don'.

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